Gulfstream Intl Airlines Is Now Silver Airways

jynxyjoe said:
Well if you do upgrade that makes some sense from the outside looking in, however from my eyes this doesn't look like a worthwhile venture. You could get stuck there a while in the right seat, and when they pull out that left seat (even 6months in) you may not be able to take their crap for another minute even if they paid you $60 an hour. I'd tell you about a hellhole I used to work for called Colgan as an example, though I think everyone would collectively vomit if I shined up that old tune again.
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Jhugz does bring up a good point for the really young guys. Silver Airways wouldn't be a good pick for them, because living on their FO pay for 4 years until you reach the minimum age for upgrade would not be fun, especially in high COL areas like Florida.

But, if you don't have the age issue, then upgrade times have never exceeded a couple of years at GIA, even immediately following 9/11. A quick upgrade is as close to guaranteed as possible in this industry. And as far as QOL, days off there are above average when compared to other regionals, as long as you are willing to live in base. Commuting is not fun, as the trips just aren't commutable. When you go to work, you fly 5-8 legs, and you're there all day. But you can get days off in the high teens. I remember I once had a 22 day off line as a relatively junior FO.
 
jhugz said:
Yea, but you have 4 years there till you can upgrade. It's 1900 time which doesn't mean squat also. Don't buy into the whole TPIC joke, it's a trap.
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Is SF34 time squat too? I wouldn't plan on staying in the 1900 for 4 years if I went there....
 
I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you this, get your cfi's. Instruct. Wait for a better opportunity instead of jumping on the first available.
 
1900 time isn't bad.

That's all I had when I got hired by SouthernJets.

My curiosity is that overnight they went from a PFT/PFJ operation to a supposedly respectable airline. Or did they?

That's a big paradigm shift, virtually overnight.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Why? Do you say the same thing about Commutair? Colgan? You worked for a very similar company at Skyway. Seems a little "weak" to me to treat GIA any differently than all of the other similar companies just because you don't like the way the former management did things.
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How are you comparing Gulfstream to Skyway? Please elucidate.
 
Doug Taylor said:
1900 time isn't bad.

That's all I had when I got hired by SouthernJets.

My curiosity is that overnight they went from a PFT/PFJ operation to a supposedly respectable airline. Or did they?

That's a big paradigm shift, virtually overnight.
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It was a little over a year from the PFJ-bankruptcy to the now "AY YO SILVER AWAYYYYYYYY!!1!!!1" that is now what seems to be a respectable company.
 
Doug Taylor said:
1900 time isn't bad.

That's all I had when I got hired by SouthernJets.

My curiosity is that overnight they went from a PFT/PFJ operation to a supposedly respectable airline. Or did they?

That's a big paradigm shift, virtually overnight.
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I'm not saying it can't be done, but it isn't as good as heavier jet time aka -700, 170/190. It comes down to being a 16,000 lb. Single Pilot King Air that the bulk of your time will be in the right seat of.
 
Ehh, I don't know that 1900 sic time is so bad. It's total time and he doesn't have to stay all 4 years and upgrade there. More TT will open up more opportunities in the future. I kind of agree with you though, it probably isn't quiet as valuable as jet time or whatever, but they are still operating as a crew which counts for something. Enjoy Glendive newbie gulfstreamers...
 
Here's the angle that a lot of people aren't grasping.

If you've got 10,000 hours in "heavier" jets like a −900 or you've got 2,500 hours in a Beech 1900, the person with the best connections will be the victor when it comes to getting the interview.

Success (or lack thereof) in this business is darned near 100% networking and professional relationships you build (or destroy, sadly, in some cases).
 
That's my issue. Just because a company is under new management doesn't wipe away its past. Just like your reputation, it follows you. To me it would be better if the company sold all their aircraft then started a new company with new practices, pay and location. Get a fresh start, start a new high school, so to speak.

Doug Taylor said:
1900 time isn't bad.

That's all I had when I got hired by SouthernJets.

My curiosity is that overnight they went from a PFT/PFJ operation to a supposedly respectable airline. Or did they?

That's a big paradigm shift, virtually overnight.
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Kind of reminds me of Newt Gingrich!

"I'm loyal to my wife, who is the one that I cheated with when I was married before. But I'm loyal to her!"
 
moxiepilot said:
That's my issue. Just because a company is under new management doesn't wipe away its past. Just like your reputation, it follows you. To me it would be better if the company sold all their aircraft then started a new company with new practices, pay and location. Get a fresh start, start a new high school, so to speak.
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Isn't that what they are doing though? Granted, it can't be overnight, but they are phasing out the BE1900 for the SF340s...

New name, management, pay, contract, bases, exct. The only thing really the same is some of the routes, and pilots.
 
jhugz said:
I'm not saying it can't be done, but it isn't as good as heavier jet time aka -700, 170/190. It comes down to being a 16,000 lb. Single Pilot King Air that the bulk of your time will be in the right seat of.
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Southernjets aside, Southwest Airlines took plenty of Colgan "Single Pilot" King Air drivers at their interviews when I was at Smolgan.

If your goals are jet corporate, 1900 time may not be great, but I sure see a lot of them hired at airline interviews to dismiss it as chance. If the interview doesn't work out, for whatever reason, and there aren't anymore coming it sure is tough staying there when your regional jet peers are making more than you are right seat.
 
DPApilot said:
Isn't that what they are doing though? Granted, it can't be overnight, but they are phasing out the BE1900 for the SF340s...

New name, management, pay, contract, bases, exct. The only thing really the same is some of the routes, and pilots.
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I'm not really seeing new practices or pay. Basically they have new management same old abuse. Give it a year and I will reevaluate
 
well this is going to be a huge pay cut but I need more multi than 500 and all my 2k of single engine fixed gear turbine time that "ya'll can't touch this" so I figure I would like at least more 1900 time than 208 time
 
WacoFan said:
Aren't regionals in general to blame for the deterioration of the airline pilot job?
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Tough sell that it's all our fault. Seems like we'd be partially responsible for taking the jobs, and mainline would be partially responsible for letting the jobs out.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Tough sell that it's all our fault. Seems like we'd be partially responsible for taking the jobs, and mainline would be responsible for letting the jobs out.
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Much better. There would have been no RJ jobs to take. They came because somebody didn't want the flying..........o_O
 
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