Government mandated minium pay

JHugz alittle information for you my dad just sent me.

Under the fair labor and standards act as long as an employee is engaging in activities that benefit the employer, regardless of when they're performed, the employer has an obligation to pay the employee for his or her time. Still, an employer cannot simply exempt workers from the FLSA by calling them independent contractors, and many employers have illegally misclassified their workers as independent contractors. Some employers similarly mislabel employees as volunteers. Courts will look at the "economic reality" of the relationship between the putative employer and the worker to determine whether the worker is, in fact, an independent contractor.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Wow man. Either you've forgotten where you've come from or you're trolling my users. Hopefully there's another angle I'm not seeing?
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Doug, I was very fortunate to not have to go the regional route. I'm amazed reading all the hypocrites that take regional jobs knowing that they will get little pay and knowing that the chances of them actually making it to a major are poor, yet they whine non-stop when the job actually turns out just like they read about on the internet or heard from their friends already at the regionals.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
Doug, I was very fortunate to not have to go the regional route. I'm amazed reading all the hypocrites that take regional jobs knowing that they will get little pay and knowing that the chances of them actually making it to a major are poor, yet they whine non-stop when the job actually turns out just like they read about on the internet or heard from their friends already at the regionals.
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You paint with a wide brush my friend. It is very poor form.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
Doug, I was very fortunate to not have to go the regional route. I'm amazed reading all the hypocrites that take regional jobs knowing that they will get little pay and knowing that the chances of them actually making it to a major are poor, yet they whine non-stop when the job actually turns out just like they read about on the internet or heard from their friends already at the regionals.
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You have a point. Now, though, it is a little different, don't you think? If you go to a regional, you are probably there for the duration. You may end up with that company for 15-20 years before you ever see a 100 pax jet. Ask the FOs at Eagle who have been there for 10 years and still haven't seen the left seat.
 
If the govmt can set a min wage what is to stop them from setting a max wage? Great you make another 10k a year for the first few years. Now once you work up the ladder you income is capped at 100k. So now you made an extra 40k, but screwed yourself in the end. Good move.

Get rid of the RLA. That is what we as a pilot group should be pushing for. That way we even the playing field and can use the market to better our position and not some nitwit in DC that only cares about reelection. Start thinking big picture and not instant gratification.

Brian
 
Jhugz,
You seem to think that you have no control over anything in your life, and that all you can do is to take what is handed to you. You talk about “leaving the industry and showing the man, as if “the man” is someone who has some personal vendetta against you. That’s nonsense. You know who “the man” is? “The man” is somebody who went out into the world, couldn’t find a set of circumstances that suited him, and so decided to make his own. That’s the only difference between you and him. Others on here have given you many ideas about what you can do to improve your circumstances, and you have dismissed every one of them. The key to success in this business or any other is to find a need and fill it. Carve out a niche for yourself. Make yourself “the man.” It won’t be easy. It may not work. But I guarantee you the only way you are ever going to have the circumstances you want for your life is to go out and make them for yourself.

Government mandates are not going to bring you the panacea you seek. If anything, it will just screw things up further, as government interference always does. Regulation is a perfect example. The reason this industry is so dysfunctional is not deregulation, but because it was regulated in the first place. Had air carriers been competing from day one, they would never have gotten so bloated and inefficient so as to require the last 30 years recovering from it. They’re still trying recovering from it, and one of the reasons it is taking so long is because of government interference in the form of pro-union labor law.

You chose to enter a profession where there is a lot of supply and very little demand. You chose to enter an industry that has yet to figure out how to make a profit after 80+ years. The people who do well are the ones who make their own circumstances, not the ones who sit back and expect everyone else to change their behavior.
 
skydog2 said:
Jhugz,
Government mandates are not going to bring you the panacea you seek. If anything, it will just screw things up further, as government interference always does. Regulation is a perfect example. The reason this industry is so dysfunctional is not deregulation, but because it was regulated in the first place. Had air carriers been competing from day one, they would never have gotten so bloated and inefficient so as to require the last 30 years recovering from it. They’re still trying recovering from it, and one of the reasons it is taking so long is because of government interference in the form of pro-union labor law.
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Skydog,
You are such a trip. Why are you now skydog2? It seems that you very Chicago school when it suits your purposes... Maybe listen to too much Limbaugh and maybe fuddled your way through some 20 yr old treatise by Milton Friedman. You are very pro government interference ala RLA, but then chastise others as wanting government interference. This is the textbook definition of hypocrisy. BTW, your other nonsensical post that a minority of people would destroy a company in short order without the divine intervention of the RLA does not square with the facts. Pilot groups routinely give up ground to save their company.

Whatever your failures as a pilot led you to leave the field does not concern us. While I appreciate your right to your opinion, you do not seem to have anything worthwhile to say.
 
You're right. The RLA is government interference. Just as are all the pro-union labor laws that are currently on the books. As I said in an earlier post, the RLA is the check and balance to the pro-union labor law. I agree with you. Get rid of both and let things fall as they may.
 
So, how much money is a regional pilot worth?

They are worth the marginal revenue that they contribute to the company's bottom line. In other words, for every additional pilot that is hired, how much more money will the airline earn? Salary is simply a monetary valuation of the cost of labor versus the benefits contributed by that labor.

To further elucidate this point and help explain why wages are what they are...

Why does Derek Jeter get paid 25 million a year to hit balls with a piece of wood while the emergency room physician down the street who is saving people's lives earns fractions less?

Hmmm... Anyone?

And, just to prove that economic theory really works, check out how much an ERJ 145 captain flying in China earns. Government intervention wasn't necessary.

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