Government mandated minium pay

As Firebird said earlier RLA needs to go away period. I'm pretty sure that most European Countries don't have it (none may?) and it gives the unions much more bargaining power. The actual ability to strike w/o jumping through the hoops.

I'm still for government regulation of pay rates, but then again I feel like this discussion is turning into a political thread rather then an aviation one.
 
jhugz said:
I'm still for government regulation of pay rates, but then again I feel like this discussion is turning into a political thread rather then an aviation one.
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My take isn't a political one, I just don't like giving government regulatory power over more and more private things. Again, what if that regulatory power is given to the government, and they determine that current lousy payrates are just fine and dandy? Then what?

Then they'd just become government-approved and mandated lousy payrates. That's be the only difference. That, and likely a much tougher time changing/improving them.
 
MikeD said:
My take isn't a political one, I just don't like giving government regulatory power over more and more private things. Again, what if that regulatory power is given to the government, and they determine that current lousy payrates are just fine and dandy? Then what?

Then they'd just become government-approved and mandated lousy payrates. That's be the only difference. That, and likely a much tougher time changing/improving them.
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Just check out this link and tell me where you would think Pilot's should fit in to the pay bands.

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A-300F4-622R said:
Quit taking crap jobs that pay crap wages. Management has no incentive to pay you more.
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I'm sure all of your jobs in aviation were fantastic. Must be nice at the top looking down.

I love that line from the people already making third year or captain pay or at UPS/Fedex/Legacy.
 
note: i like that govt pay scale link. id like to think that pilot would certainly fall into the technical or professional categories.

that would be nice wages. *dreams*
 
I'm not a fan of the RLA as it's pretty antiquated and ties labor's hands.
 
Clocks said:
You've just summarized all of A-300's posts. He was born in the left seat at UPS.
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Not hardly pal. I'm just "amused" at you regional guys taking those crappy jobs that you know are crappy going in and then whine when you find out that they really are crappy.

Now if you want to talk about new regional pilots not getting paid what you think you are worth, I'll argue that since most newhire regional pilots bring little of real value to the cockpit, you are getting paid exactly what you are worth at that point in your career.
 
Just check out this link and tell me where you would think Pilot's should fit in to the pay bands
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Really doesn't matter where you think you should fall.

<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1>The Federal government is not here to make sure you are comfortable. Everybody in this business made the choice to start flying for a career. If you were smart you research what pay is like and if you didn't then that is your own fault. Why should the government step in and fix the pay problem when we knowingly decided to enter this business for that pay. If people would not work for that amount then the pay would be higher.
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I think that's the best post here. Listen we are all adults. You should have done your due diligence when you got into this profession and realized that the possibility and making low wages was fairly high. If you didn't accept that then you should have stayed out. I'm all for improving wages at any job no matter what the profession. But there are good ways and bad ways to do this. Govt mandated pay is bad. As a few posters have said before what if the government comes back says those wages seem perfectly fair and set them in stone. Than what? Changing government policy will be far harder. How about someone start a thread and we have a constructive conversation on ways we can change things instead of a bunch of posts of people whining. This is turning more and more into the other aviation forums where all you have is people whining all the time about a career they choose to be in. You dont have to fly. If you dont like it and its making you that miserable than leave! That would be the smart move.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
Not hardly pal. I'm just "amused" at you regional guys taking those crappy jobs that you know are crappy going in and then whine when you find out that they really are crappy.

Now if you want to talk about new regional pilots not getting paid what you think you are worth, I'll argue that since most newhire regional pilots bring little of real value to the cockpit, you are getting paid exactly what you are worth at that point in your career.
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:banghead:

You can take the poster out of APC but you just can't take APC out of the poster.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
Not hardly pal. I'm just "amused" at you regional guys taking those crappy jobs that you know are crappy going in and then whine when you find out that they really are crappy.
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Wow man. Either you've forgotten where you've come from or you're trolling my users. Hopefully there's another angle I'm not seeing?
 
Jbroz04 said:
nothing added to the convo
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Well it seems in the CFI union thread, this thread, and many others you seem to not want to discuss how to improve wages rather you would just say this is how it is so like it. If you don't like what you're reading you don't have to click to open the thread.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Wow man. Either you've forgotten where you've come from or you're trolling my users. Hopefully there's another angle I'm not seeing?
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Thank you

I'm surprised he managed to quote my post at 10:47, since it was only up for a few seconds at 10:40 before I decided I didn't want to wrestle with a pig. But since he did, my opinion remains unchanged.
 
Let us all just be honest. As much as everyone wants to live in a world of rainbows and all that other blah stuff it just isn't going to happen. Few of us can be martyrs and leave this industry standing up for what we believe in and not taking crappy pay like you said. There is just no way I ever see it stopping because of a few of us leaving the industry and showing the man. Pay is still going to suck a long w/ quality of life. I give ALPA cred's because it seems as if they have done a good job w/ job security and are working on better work rules. However let us be honest. PAY still sucks even at our premier regionals and majors for that matter. If someone else can step in and say this is what your going to pay pilots and ALPA keeps fighting for better work rules and QoL then this job may just not suck by the time I retire.
 
Well it seems in the CFI union thread, this thread, and many others you seem to not want to discuss how to improve wages rather you would just say this is how it is so like it. If you don't like what you're reading you don't have to click to open the thread.
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JHugz I have given you many ways to improve your pay as a CFI. Specialize! The best paid instructors are the ones who have a speciality that allows them to charge a premium. Your response is that you shouldn't have to specialize. The point wasn't whether you should or shouldn't have to. The point was that is a way to make more money. And yes my point is you do have to live with how things are. I'm all for pushing for change. But at the same time you have to work with what your given right now. You don't want to specialize so your not going to make more money right now. Its all fine and dandy to sit on this board and say this needs changed and that needs changed. But fact is change is along way away so you need to learn to maximize the opportunities at hand while working towards the change you would like to see.
 
If you dont want to specialize that is fine. And you can say I'm a broken record all you want. But you keep asking for ways to make more money as a CFI and I'm giving you one that has worked for many. I'm sorry it isnt what you want to hear but get over it.

As far having to be there and not getting paid. Yes that is illegal. And yes you can take them to court. Will you no. If you did that would be a huge first step toward stopping that practice. Show them you have the balls to stand up for whats right. Thats what you been saying along isnt it? If you really want to change things stand up for whats legally right. If they required you to be there to keep your job you legally should be paid. The longer you continue to allow them to do that the more and more you show them that it is ok. Here your change JHugz. Stand up for whats right and use that as a chance to help fellow CFIs stop this practice. I bet you wont though.
 
Well this thread brought me out of my self-induced retirement from posting on jetcareers. But it seems most people have said what I was gonna say about government regulated pay. So instead I'll focus on another theme that popped up in this thread: Getting rid of the RLA.

The way I see it, the RLA is the check and balance to the unions. Unions, by virtue of labor law, have the power to destroy a company within a matter of days. This tips the balance of power dangerously in their favor. The RLA is what keeps the unions in check. It keeps a minority of employees from destroying a company, putting hundreds or thousands of people out of work, and causing massive damage to the local economy, on a whim.

You may not like the RLA, but it's the price you pay for getting a voice in your workplace.
 
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