Government mandated minium pay

intern_mike said:
I think those with the desire and the means to afford training will go through with it. As has been said here before, Shiny Jet Syndrome.

P.S. I'm one of em'.
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At least you admit it. Most everyone else are hypocrites. They bitch and moan about their poor pay and working conditions, yet they LINE UP to take those crappy jobs at the regionals. With ALL the information available to them via the internet, they KNOW EXACTLY what they are walking into. Yet the minute they are there, they start bitching about how the job really is, when they knew that going into it.
 
It's already off the table.

The suggestion of a regulated minimum wage for 121 pilots was submitted by the Remember 3407 Project.


The FAA has already stated on record that they do not set pilot pay rates, and will not touch that issue.
 
Copperhed51 said:
Well, I am a Conservative and I believe this is a bad idea...however I also believe the RLA is a bad idea. If you're going to have an RLA that prevents the pilot groups from having any power to negotiate their wages, then the government needs to step in and do something to protect us. I'd much rather have the RLA abolished though.
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Except I'm a Liberal. I see both (a mandated pay scale and the RLA) as undue government interference in my natural right to self determination and the trade of my labor and effort.
 
yeah deregulation: Companies can have contracts vacated in Bankruptcy law, that took years if not decades to establish. But we have no right to strike due to the RLA?

It is a joke, that has led to 20k regional jet starting pay scales. Give rights to the pilots to shut it down... You know free market of our skills?
 
The Federal government is not here to make sure you are comfortable. Everybody in this business made the choice to start flying for a career. If you were smart you research what pay is like and if you didn't then that is your own fault. Why should the government step in and fix the pay problem when we knowingly decided to enter this business for that pay. If people would not work for that amount then the pay would be higher.

Yes I am a conservative and I don't want the government in my life more then it already is.
 
DL31082 said:
The Federal government is not here to make sure you are comfortable. Everybody in this business made the choice to start flying for a career. If you were smart you research what pay is like and if you didn't then that is your own fault. Why should the government step in and fix the pay problem when we knowingly decided to enter this business for that pay. If people would not work for that amount then the pay would be higher.

Yes I am a conservative and I don't want the government in my life more then it already is.
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This argument while appealing on ideology is faulty. The Government is involved to the hilt with determining pilot pay. I say get them out, that would be better. Or if they are going to be involved, they need to be even handed.
 
jhugz said:
What is another carrot management can wave over a pilots head? Upgrade. Look at all the people that went to lakes for 14 hr. just for quick PIC turbine time. Even though this industry is sinking towards the bottom of the Atlantic like the Titanic everyone is still trying to climb to the bow thinking that it will be above water by the time they get there. Pilots are willing to do just about anything for the quick PIC turbine time and upgrade that management will just have that to abuse once the pilot mills start running dry.
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Then it is a problem with the pilot group itself, and not management and not the pay. Obviously, we all benefit if pilots get paid more, but the problem with the government forcing a minimum amount of pay is multi-faceted.

The unions should be the ones handling something like minimum pay for pilots. Isn't that why you guys pay dues to your unions? It seems like the union pilots at the top of the ladder don't want to help out the guys at the bottom because they had to "pay their dues" in the good ole days.
 
shdw said:
I am all for it, some of these regional jobs are paying people less than that of a garbage man. It is getting to the point where it is absurd. Worst of all, the heads of these companies are not taking pay cuts. :confused:
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3 options. become a garbage man, become the head of the company, don't take the job.

don't like the pay, don't take the job. get enough people with that philosophy, pay will come up. knowing what a position pays, applying and interviewing for that position, getting and accepting a position, only to cry about the pay later is a bit more than a little disingenuous.
 
intern_mike said:
I think those with the desire and the means to afford training will go through with it. As has been said here before, Shiny Jet Syndrome.

P.S. I'm one of em'.
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I wouldnt exactly catagorize everyone that has the desire and the means to pay for their ratings with SJS....thats kind of offensive.

As long as one does their research before hand and realizes that one may end up thier whole career at a regional, one will be more inclined to choose more wisely an employer by the QOL, benefits and pay rather by the jets they fly.
 
Get ride of the seniority system. That will make for a free market on pilots. Let our resumes make our salary, not time sitting in a specific seat on a specific plane at a specific airline, and should you choose to change, you go back down to nearly worthless. No other industry operates like that. Airlines don't have to raise your pay because they know it's suicide if you leave, thus no bargaining power. Keep the fed out.
 
deek said:
Get ride of the seniority system. That will make for a free market on pilots. Let our resumes make our salary, not time sitting in a specific seat on a specific plane at a specific airline, and should you choose to change, you go back down to nearly worthless. No other industry operates like that. Airlines don't have to raise your pay because they know it's suicide if you leave, thus no bargaining power. Keep the fed out.
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We've already been through the pitfalls of eliminating the seniority system.
 
Oh these internets. I read one thread about how people who work govt aviation jobs on the ground are likely former airline pilots who in one way or another got screwed by the airline world and bailed on their "dreams". In the very next thread, I read about how some airline pilots think it's a good idea for the same government entity to step in and mandate a minimum salary? Are you kidding me?

Please listen to what the majority of people are saying. If you don't like the aviation pay, don't take the aviation job.
 
Govt mandated pay.......umm, no thanks. Would like the govt to stay out of that in the private sector.

But answer this: What if the government does mandate pay for the airlines, and they determine that current regional low pay is perfectly acceptable, and that becomes the mandate?
 
MikeD said:
Govt mandated pay.......umm, no thanks. Would like the govt to stay out of that in the private sector.

But answer this: What if the government does mandate pay for the airlines, and they determine that current regional low pay is perfectly acceptable, and that becomes the mandate?
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we don't want unintended consequences! we want money!
 
It's so simple the government should just make the minimum wage $1000 an hour so we can all be rich! Our brilliant politicians should just decide what everything is worth! What could possibly go wrong?
 
ljg said:
Oh these internets. I read one thread about how people who work govt aviation jobs on the ground are likely former airline pilots who in one way or another got screwed by the airline world and bailed on their "dreams". In the very next thread, I read about how some airline pilots think it's a good idea for the same government entity to step in and mandate a minimum salary? Are you kidding me?

Please listen to what the majority of people are saying. If you don't like the aviation pay, don't take the aviation job.
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You make a good point, but a funnier one is only 4 people prior to your post advocate a minimum salary for airline pilots and all 4 aren't even close to being airline pilots. One PPL and 3 sub 1000 hour CFIs.
 
Ian J said:
You make a good point, but a funnier one is only 4 people prior to your post advocate a minimum salary for airline pilots and all 4 aren't even close to being airline pilots. One PPL and 3 sub 1000 hour CFIs.
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Would you give it a rest already. No topic is open for debate ever.
 
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