Got Fired!!!

"It's called Mesa (just the most obvious offender), and it's destroying any semblance of a real career"

I'm no Mesa lover cause I don't like JO or MAPD. I don't think you can really attack them from a pay standpoint, however. I notice their 12 year Capts make 82/hr which is competitive with Eagle and Xjet.

Low paying Scenic/Great Lakes type jobs have always been around, even in the heyday of airline pilot careers. These jobs were, and still are, a step up from instructing because of the time you get. I think it's good for everyone to cut their teeth and pay their dues as a CFI. There are those who just don't want to do it, for whatever reason, and maybe they shouldn't. But I think they are missing out big time on a great learning and seasoning experience. The Scenic/GLA's will always be around with bottom feeder pay. What's sad about today, and what's changed over the years, is the chance of reaching an old school great airline job are much less than they used to be. That's what made some of the bottom feeder jobs more tolerable. You did it to have a chance at a really great job.
 
GreenDayPilot said:
Hey... just want to say that I like what everyone has to say on this subject... ya gotta respect what everyone has to say.

Anyway, for those of you who frown on me for getting the job... does that mean we should do the same for those who announce that they got HIRED by Scenic, Great Lakes, and all the other low paying 121 carriers??? Scenic and Great Lakes pilots get paid $13-15/hour. That's the same amount of money i made IF they fly 100 hours a month. I only flew about 25 hours a month. I also got paid for the time I wasn't flying since its a salaried job... meaning that I sometimes had up4 weeks of paid leave!

Ahh, whatever, I dont like writing pages and pages of stuff... so I'll just stop right here cause I can go on with this forever.
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I wouldn't lump Scenic in with Great Lakes. First year FO's at GLA make much less than first year FO's at Scenic. At Scenic, the FO's and Captains get half their hourly wage when they're on the ground not flying (compared to one dollar at GLA). Scenic pilots are home everynight and upgrade is generally quicker.
 
We have been discussing the job Greenday left, but now is a good time for an update. Greenday, where are you in your career now? Have you found an instructor job, or are you still searching?
 
Heres the problem with your comparing pt91 corporate flying to regionals etc...

Corporate pay is dictated by the seat. Meaning that if your in the right seat of a hawker theres an industry standard, if your in the left seat of a kingair theres a standard etc... Its run this way because theres no seniority system in the 91 corporate world and so its up to pilots in that arena to protect thier wages from low time guys or employers that would be willing to fly for/pay a non-livable wage. Thats why theres a NBAA pay scale thats published yearly. Low-Time/High-Time shouldn't matter, he was hired to do a job and because of that he should be paid what the job is worth.

Whether GD was required by the FAA or not is a non-issue, what is the issue is that the pilot/owner wanted him there or the insurance agency wanted him there and either way the plane wasn't going anywhere without him so........required.

Comparing him to a CFI won't work either. Many CFI's do make good money, theres job opportunities on this very board to cfi and make 10k more a year than what he was being paid. Are these opportunities out there...you bet. Are there lots of them...yah. Do many people not look around and simply instruct at the same flight school they learned at and being new to the industry not know that they can demand a higher pay rate, yes. Did I make good money instructing no...for many of these reasons and more...

DE727...the problem people have with mesa isn't just pay, it has to do with duty days, days off, and other QOL issues other than crappy pay. If you don't think theres people calling regional pilots • than you really should pay more attention 'cause theres allot of them doing it.
 
"If you don't think theres people calling regional pilots • than you really should pay more attention 'cause theres allot of them doing it"

What's your point?
 
bob loblaw said:
We have been discussing the job Greenday left, but now is a good time for an update. Greenday, where are you in your career now? Have you found an instructor job, or are you still searching?
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I'll have an answer by Monday.... I interviewed this week and am taking a test flight on Monday (given the wx is good)... thanks for asking
 
GreenDayPilot said:
I'll have an answer by Monday.... I interviewed this week and am taking a test flight on Monday (given the wx is good)... thanks for asking
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I apologize that I've been so insensitive, BTW. I do feel bad that you lost your job, and should have indicated so in my very first post on the subject. Just because I feel the way I do about your accepting such job, doesn't mean that I don't feel for you for losing said job. Hope things work out for you in future endeavors.
 
Texasspilot,

It does matter how many hours you have. It goes to experience.

Someone with more experience will, all other things being equal, probably be better at the job and do a bettter job. That is why pay scales should (and do) go up at the airlines for time employed. Even though the person is doing the same job, in the same seat, he gets paid more. Why? He has more experiance. It goes backwards too...why does a newhire get paid less for the same seat? He has less experiance.
 
TaterSalad said:
I apologize that I've been so insensitive, BTW. I do feel bad that you lost your job, and should have indicated so in my very first post on the subject. Just because I feel the way I do about your accepting such job, doesn't mean that I don't feel for you for losing said job. Hope things work out for you in future endeavors.
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It's cool... like I said earlier, I understand and respect what everyone has to say on the subject... It's a good subject to have at a debate because there are good points to both sides... I just chose to be on the side that would accept a low paying job in return for experience.
 
Propilot said:
Texasspilot,

It does matter how many hours you have. It goes to experience.

Someone with more experience will, all other things being equal, probably be better at the job and do a bettter job. That is why pay scales should (and do) go up at the airlines for time employed. Even though the person is doing the same job, in the same seat, he gets paid more. Why? He has more experiance. It goes backwards too...why does a newhire get paid less for the same seat? He has less experiance.
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actually a new hire gets payed less because he's a new hire. A 20,000 hour former captain will get payed the same as a 600 hour flight instructor if they were both just hired by the airline. You do gain knowledge and skill as you stay with the company which is one reason your rewarded with higher pay as your seniority increases. Just to reiterate my point, this isn't an airline job, this was a corporate job. They are two different animals.

Greenday, I apologize also for not mentioning good luck on your job hunt. I wish you luck in the future. As I've been told before sometimes I can be an insensitive ass.
 
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