Good bye Jet U

Captain_Bob said:
Are you referring to beasly?? I actually thought he did a good job of lifting himself up.
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I think that calling yourself and other people retards, isn't the best choice of words. If they did some homework, they might have prevented going to Jet U. I never bought Jet U because they took a Horizon CRJ and painted it their colors, beside you can see the Horizon color on the left engine nacelle
 
Captain_Bob said:
Are you referring to beasly?? I actually thought he did a good job of lifting himself up.
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Thanks.

And, I finished my ratings at ATP....

(Although, I do have some beefs with some training stuff, but we can chat about that when I have 10,000 hours.)

b.
 
SFCC/UND said:
I think that calling yourself and other people retards, isn't the best choice of words.
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The way I took it... he wasn't calling himself a retard... he was using the term in quotations referencing murdoughnut (post 4 of this thread) calling people who spend that much money in advance on flight programs "retarded".

He was using sarcasm to make a point.
 
Captain_Bob said:
The way I took it... he wasn't calling himself a retard... he was using the term in quotations referencing murdoughnut (post 4 of this thread) calling people who spend that much money in advance on flight programs "retarded".

He was using sarcasm to make a point.
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Thanks again!

b.
 
ShyFlyer said:
Ya know, I remember when I first starting seeing the ads for Jet U. Even back then the name alone made me think that something just wasn't right about this place.

Then I poked around the website. After a few minutes I was sure that this wouldn't end well. :(
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:yeahthat::yup: exactly
 
Captain_Bob said:
The way I took it... he wasn't calling himself a retard... he was using the term in quotations referencing murdoughnut (post 4 of this thread) calling people who spend that much money in advance on flight programs "retarded".

He was using sarcasm to make a point.
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Yeah, and I should clarify - I don't agree that it's ever a smart move to put that much money up front for something. That being said, these folks are the victims of a crime - and I'm not blaming them.
 
I always wondered how they can guarantee you a job after the training. How does that work? I almost thought of enrolling in their program but i decided to do the CFI thing for a while.

Thanks for the info
 
Captain_Bob said:
Your going way out on a limb there mojo. Couple of big differences between ATP and JetU...


  • ATP has been around for over 25+ years.
  • Like it or not... ATP has a system that works.
  • ATP actually has a full fleet of aircraft.
  • ATP's cost is not $70,000... it's only $54,995 from 0-time, and it actually includes your CFI certs. Only $44,995 if you already have your private... oh yeah, and lot's of multi for that price.
  • Comparing the price of ATP with other "major" flight schools... it's actually the cheapest. http://www.fltops.com/flightschools.asp
  • ATP does not require payment in full up front. It's a graduated payment system that includes most of your flight time (XC phase) by the time you have paid the full amount.
  • If you are approved for a loan... they don't take the full amount of the loan up front. They apply for disbursements at the same rate that anyone paying cash would be paying.
  • ATP is VA/141 approved.
  • ATP doesn't "Guarantee" a job.
There's more differences... but that's a big start.

Bob
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I was specifically referring to sinking a ton of money (55k at 10% over 15 years adds up) into accelerated training for a non-existant job market. I don't know enough about ATP or Jet U to comment on the specifics, so I won't do that.

I think the "dream is superceeding the reason" for anyone who will do that in this job market. Just look in the ATP forums, and you will find threads like this choice one:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/airlin...tp/86556-heres-my-story-advice-requested.html
 
Murdoughnut said:
Yeah, and I should clarify - I don't agree that it's ever a smart move to put that much money up front for something. That being said, these folks are the victims of a crime - and I'm not blaming them.
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Two things caused me to go to Air Orlando over ATA. This was one of them. I don't trust anyone that won't even let me START a program unless I've paid up front in full. Second, was when I was asking the instructor about their bridge program with ASA and Eagle, he kept saying "Oh, they're still interviewing" when I knew good and well both had stopped (this was about two weeks after 9/11). Being lied to right to my face was pretty much the nail in the coffin for them.
 
t-cart said:
That one guy said "Just a few months ago, I had never flown a plane before, Now I'll be a commercial airline pilot in a couple of months" or something to that effect. Without having this turn into an "experience" thread, that just sounds kind of spooky to me.
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Spooky is being a passenger of a regional aircraft knowing that your life isnt worth hiring experienced/knowledgeable crew members to handle adverse conditions.
 
Crockrocket94 said:
IIIIncredible...


Pay of up front... makes me think of that "place in DeLand".
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I requested info from said "place in DeLand" back when I was in Orlando, too. When I saw the name on the letter they sent me was the same guy that lied to me at ATA, it quickly went in the trash.
 
Bob, ya might eye roll it, but he's right. If management could get someone in there for free, as long as there was a CA in the seat next to them to babysit and they met the bare minimum requirements for the job per the FAA, they'd do it in a heartbeat. XJT might be a little different, but I know 9E would jump at the chance to beef up the profit margin.
 
This "Dream" thing is really what's at the heart of all of this. I would be willing to bet that almost everyone on here at one point or another made some decisions in aviation solely based on the dream factor. At some point we all wake up to the realities...either in the form of losing 70k to a closing flight school or being a 1st year FO not being able to pay even the minimum of bills. Either way your eyes will be opened one way or the other.
 
kellwolf said:
Bob, ya might eye roll it, but he's right. If management could get someone in there for free, as long as there was a CA in the seat next to them to babysit and they met the bare minimum requirements for the job per the FAA, they'd do it in a heartbeat. XJT might be a little different, but I know 9E would jump at the chance to beef up the profit margin.
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Nah... didn't have to do with cheap labor in the right seat. I had a bit of a heated response but I retracted it and left the rolling eyes.

Here's what my issue was... It was bunghole's assumption that an airline intentionally puts an inexperienced, unknowledgeable crewmember in the right seat. I haven't looked up his history, but I think it's fairly safe to assume that he hasn't been through 121 training, or he wouldn't have made a comment like that.

The fact is... no training program can prepare you for and and every possible scenario that can go wrong up there. I mean when was the last time any of us trained for a dual engine flameout, a total electrical & hydraulic failure and flying the plane in manual reversion on the standby instruments to minimums in mountainous terrain, abrupt pusher actuation due to any number of reasons, gear collapse on the takeoff roll, etc.

Well, if you had a decent instructor and some time left over in the SIM after your normal training was done then you may have heard him say "You guys wanna have some fun?" followed by some of the scenario's depicted above. But... as part of the standard FAA approved training programs?? Nope.

I guess, in a way... that means we are all inexperienced and unknowledgeable crew members, regardless of our time accumulated prior to being hired and our GA/military training up to that point.

Bob
 
DenverPilot8 said:
This "Dream" thing is really what's at the heart of all of this. I would be willing to bet that almost everyone on here at one point or another made some decisions in aviation solely based on the dream factor. At some point we all wake up to the realities...either in the form of losing 70k to a closing flight school or being a 1st year FO not being able to pay even the minimum of bills. Either way your eyes will be opened one way or the other.
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Have you ever had that dream where you are partying with supermodels on the beach in the Caribbean, living life to the fullest, not a care in the world, and splashing around in the surf with the aforementioned models... only to wake up to find that the water you felt splashing on your face in your dream was just the puddle of drool trailing down your mouth and onto your pillow, and your dog whining to go outside for a walk even though it's way too early, it's raining, and you have to get up in 2 hours to hit the daily grind?

That's an example of the "Dream" and waking up with the "realities" you are referring to.

Have you ever had the dream of walking with your loved one on the beach and enjoying each other's company, when a large lobster walks up and asks you if you can "spare a buck?"... to which you say, "I don't think lobsters should be asking me for change" and then you realize it's not a lobster at all, it's your son asking you for college tuition... then you wake up and realize that your loving wife is still by your side and your 2 year old is sound asleep upstairs with his favorite stuffed lobster plushie??

That's an example of a the "Dream" and waking up to realities that you know you can overcome with proper planning, training, networking, and timing.

Sure, we've all considered it a "Dream" to fly at one point... but the fact is... not everyone wakes up to the harsh realities that you suggested... because they planned accordingly. The way I see it... your eyes will only be opened in such harsh ways, if you followed your dream blindly and with out research or a plan.

:)

Bob
 
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