Good bye Jet U

[Hernandezcfi]

How? By being a 340 FO??

Uhhh...yeah. He was an instructor when I was a student. I got all my ratings from Private to CFIIME, provided instruction for 900 hours and then flew freight for 1000 hours...then moved over to Colgan and he is still intructing.

 

[Hernandezcfi]

That's why I don't really feel bad for these students.... they should have done their homework before going to Jet U!!

Most will still do it. I tried to talk a former student out of wasting his money at that place. It was like trying to do an intervention without any friends and family.

 

[Ami]

There will always be people to fall for it.

I guess you are right. I can't tell you guys enough about the students I had when I was instructing at JetU. They thought that money can buy them this left seat with the airlines.... I did talk to all of them. This was back in April of 2008. I could see it was coming. Take this, add the worst people that were running this place, add some bad instructors (Thomas) and that's what you will get. Should we really feel bad for these people? I don't know....

 

[kellwolf]

Holy crap. Just saw a copy of the memo, and I gotta say....damn. I used to fight tooth and nail trying to convince people Pinnacle wasn't involved in the actual training at JetU and was just a "partner" the same way XJT and everyone else was with ATP. Now, I'm not so sure....

The Pinnacle Aviation Academy (PAA) will offer a full CRJ-type rating course and a stand alone CRJ bridge program, the “Leading Edge”. The bridge program will provide an opportunity for low time Pilots to become familiar with the training requirements of a Part 121 Pilot training program. Upon successful completion of the PAA bridge program, Pilots will be offered a spot in a Pinnacle new hire class, and will be on his/her way of becoming a fully qualified line Pilot for Pinnacle Airlines.

The program approval process includes a full bridge program course being observed by the FAA. Pinnacle is awarding a full scholarship for one Pinnacle Person to attend this training class.

Minimum qualifications include:
§ Commercial License with Multi Engine and Instrument rating
§ Employment Application Supplement for Pilots (matrix that depicts your flight hours)
§ Pinnacle Aviation Academy Application
§ Copy of Resume
§ Copy of Driver’s License
§ Copy of Pilot’s License
§ Copy of Passport
§ Copy of 1st Class Medical
§ Copy of FCC Radio Permit

The class will commence June 1, 2009 and will run for four (4) weeks. It includes eight (Cool days of classroom training, seven (7) days of GFS training and five (5) days of CRJ Level D full motion simulator training.

Although, I have no clue what "class" they'll be in, seeing as they keep talking furloughs over here and telling the guys in the hiring pool no class dates this year....

 

[Screaming_Emu]

And my boss where I was flight instructing wondered why I decided that it was a good time to leave when they were trying to partner up with JetU. He was still the best boss I've ever worked for, but that really screwed the school.

 

[MFT1Air]

How can anyone guarantee a job these days when everyone is furloughed? Or even an interview for that matter?! I find it absolutely hilarious that people would buy into such bullscheise ads then throw $70K into the commode.

The students said they were going after their childhood dreams. Even if they went through the training and landed a regional job, how would they pay off $70K on a regional salary?

Does the name Bernard Madoff sound familiar? What was he promising to potential investors? People can fail for anything if the marketing is sound and fails in line with one's desires.

 

[MFT1Air]

How come no one is talking about the fact that of the last three fatal regional accidents, there were gulfstreamers in the cockpit of each flight.

Kinda like a double edged sword. I probably wouldn't jump to any conclusions about anything with limited data.

For example, to even hear/know there were "that many 'streamers' flying indicates a grad actually can fly the regionals despite the negative press about crusty pilots shying about from PFJ. They actually do hire PFJ pilots would be the conclusion ascertained my many! "Them being involved in any accidents is simply a small insignificant, irrelevant coincidence" would be a thought process shared by many.

So, simply having "gulfstreamers in the cockpit" means there is the potential to actually have "gulfstreamers in the cockpit." For the aspiring pilots, that carries the biggest impact. . .if you understand my perspective.

 

[Murdoughnut]

Kinda like a double edged sword. I probably wouldn't jump to any conclusions about anything with limited data.

For example, to even hear/know there were "that many 'streamers' flying indicates a grad actually can fly the regionals despite the negative press about crusty pilots shying about from PFJ. They actually do hire PFJ pilots would be the conclusion ascertained my many! "Them being involved in any accidents is simply a small insignificant, irrelevant coincidence" would be a thought process shared by many.

So, simply having "gulfstreamers in the cockpit" means there is the potential to actually have "gulfstreamers in the cockpit." For the aspiring pilots, that carries the biggest impact. . .if you understand my perspective.

Well all it takes is some simple math. Take the % of pilots at the regional and major level who went through the Gulfstream program. Will call that value "GP"

Then take the last x number of accidents where pilot error was at least a contributing factor, and calculate the % of crew members who were Gulfstream students. Will call this "GA"

If there is no relationship between the Gulfstream program and "pilot skill", then you should have ...

GP = GA

If the Gulfstream program actually improves pilot skill (or attracts a naturally better pilot), then you should see...

GP > GA

And if the Gulfstream program degrades pilot skill (or attracts pilots worse than the mean), then...

GP < GA

If you take the last 5 fatal 121 accidents, you have a GA level of 50% (this assumes that neither pilot in the SWA overrun at MDW was a former 'Streamer)

So, unless you can argue that half the 121 pilots out there in the US are Gulfstream grads, I'm not quick to call it merely a "coincidence". It certainly necessitates a deeper look.

 

[Ami]

Holy crap. Just saw a copy of the memo, and I gotta say....damn. I used to fight tooth and nail trying to convince people Pinnacle wasn't involved in the actual training at JetU and was just a "partner" the same way XJT and everyone else was with ATP. Now, I'm not so sure....



Although, I have no clue what "class" they'll be in, seeing as they keep talking furloughs over here and telling the guys in the hiring pool no class dates this year....

Where did you get this information from?

 

[MFT1Air]

Well all it takes is some simple math. Take the % of pilots at the regional and major level who went through the Gulfstream program. Will call that value "GP"

Then take the last x number of accidents where pilot error was at least a contributing factor, and calculate the % of crew members who were Gulfstream students. Will call this "GA"

If there is no relationship between the Gulfstream program and "pilot skill", then you should have ...

GP = GA

If the Gulfstream program actually improves pilot skill (or attracts a naturally better pilot), then you should see...

GP > GA

And if the Gulfstream program degrades pilot skill (or attracts pilots worse than the mean), then...

GP < GA

If you take the last 5 fatal 121 accidents, you have a GA level of 50% (this assumes that neither pilot in the SWA overrun at MDW was a former 'Streamer)

So, unless you can argue that half the 121 pilots out there in the US are Gulfstream grads, I'm not quick to call it merely a "coincidence". It certainly necessitates a deeper look.

. . .none of which I can argue nor will I argue. I'll still not jump to any conclusion. Your statistics are sound; same kinda statistics also tend to justify racial profiling. . .not that I'm thin-skinned about it.

 

[kellwolf]

Where did you get this information from?

Internal company memo.