SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Dear God, I hope not.
GoJet Airlines
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Dear God, I hope not.
aloft
New Member
Ah, another member of TSA Holdings management. Welcome. Glad we've got firsthand testimony here regarding "The Plan" and not third- or fourth-hand hearsay from a dude who never worked a day in his life at that company. :whatever:
Alchemy
Well-Known Member
There is no other good reason that I can think of that TSA holdings had for doing so. What reasons are you suggesting they did it for? To be clear, I'm talking about the creation of the pilot group (seperate from TSA) not the certificate.
It's pretty obvious that the GoJet pilot group was created to circumvent the collective bargaining process at TSA. You don't have to be a TSA manager to realize that.
aloft
New Member
Seems that would be United's call, wouldn't it...
You seem to be too focused on proving there's fire because somebody's brother's cousin's neighbor's ex-girlfriend's gynecologist thought he smelled smoke once.
aloft
New Member
And why not? Because the 'cool kids' said so?
Look, I don't know anyone at GoJet, I don't have a dog in this fight. But from what I've been able to ascertain, the rumor and innuendo surrounding GoJet just isn't credible, and nobody here who's busily engaged in the bashing can offer a shred of evidence to support their statements. Just truckloads of hearsay.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
If you choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend that things didn't happen as they did, then be my guest. The rest of us will live in the real world and accept GoJet for what it really is: an alter-ego, pseudo-scab operation that was used to bust the union and harm the TSA pilots. Why you would choose to defend this place is beyond me, but do whatever you'd like. I just hope your poor judgment doesn't cause some newbie lurking on this board to make a decision that will harm his career for the rest of his life.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Well, we have about 2 TSA pilots on Gayviator, and several here.
Jetsgowhee, Foxcow, and maybe a few more.
I can ask the members on my board, but mind you when I relay it over here it will be second hand.
Will you take any of their info as gospel?
Nick
Well-Known Member
"George W. Bush is the president," said millions of Americans.
"No he's not!" said the man. "Prove it with facts!"
* * *
I hope that illustrates my point.
The Gojets situation is very widely known in this industry.
If a few dozen people are telling one person something, it is not the job of two dozen people to get citations and quotes and prove to one single person, the veracity of their statements. You should do some research on GoJets and report back to us.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No, actually, it wouldn't be. UAL contracts with TSA Holdings in order to get the flying done. UAL doesn't care which pilot group does the flying. They only care that it gets done. It's up to Hulas to move the jets and pilots around to get the flying done, and he chooses which pilots get the flying. UAL has no say in the matter, because they really don't give a rip. UAL doesn't even have a CPA with GoJet, they have it with TSA Holdings. You have a lot to learn before you start defending those that don't deserve it.
Chris_Ford
Well-Known Member
Aloft, just explain to me why the company didn't just run it similar to a RAH operation with 3 certificates but 1 pilot group?
There is no explanation I can think of that doesn't involve the pilots...
There is no explanation I can think of that doesn't involve the pilots...
that's common knowledge since the start of gojets. go do your homework matt.
aloft
New Member
Are you that full of yourself to believe that because you cannot come up with another reason, that none must exist? Where'd you get your MBA? How much business management experience do you have?
To circumvent 70-seater scope language in their existing contract with AA. Already covered this ground, feel free to go back and re-read my earlier posts in this thread.
aloft
New Member
No, it's a common belief, but then, so are Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and man-friendly lesbians.
Show me a single shred of evidence not based in opinion or hearsay that this is the case. Please.
aloft
New Member
Simple. The TSA pilots refused. Not once, but three times.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Yes, we did already cover this ground, but you appear to be too hard headed to accept it. The AMR scope clause was no impediment to using pilots on the same seniority list to do the flying. Only a separate certificate was necessary, and that can easily be handled with a single seniority list. AMR scope was completely irrelevant to this situation. Stop carrying management's water for them.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No they didn't. They would have been more than happy to do the flying. But Hulas refused to negotiate a new payrate.
Alchemy
Well-Known Member
Did you miss the part where I was clearly talking about the creation of the Gojet pilot group, not the gojet certificate? APA scope issues do not apply to the creation of seperate seniority lists.
Factual evidence:
Chautaqua operates ERJ's for AA as well, yet their pilots are on the same seniority list as pilots that fly hundreds of 70+ seat jets for United, USAirways, Frontier, and Delta. How is this possible? Republic apparantly did not find it necessary to circumvent the collective bargaining process with their pilots.
You criticize me for saying no other reason exists but you fail to produce a legitament reason of your own.
I reiterate, the GoJet pilot group was created to circumvent the collective bargaining process at TSA.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
So in your book it is ok for Airtran to do the same thing (start a new pilot list). I mean the pilots have turn down 3 TA's.
I think the only way to solve the issue of facts is to probably go into the hot topics forum and find the gojet threads that show the articles.. i'm not sure you'd be able to find them out on the regular net anymore.
there are more than plenty of gojet threads in there... of which this one will probably follow their footsteps.
there are more than plenty of gojet threads in there... of which this one will probably follow their footsteps.