GoJet Airlines

[Kingairer]

Pardon my ignorance- but what difference does it make whether you work for GOJets or Pinnacle or for that matter, many of the Regional carriers out there. They all stink as far pay and benefits are concerned. Personally, all Regional airlines are nothing but a trainning ground for the Majors. So, use them to get your hours and experience and jump into the Majors with a union!

The pay at the majors aint exactly great anymore either. And the QOL as a senior regional capt when compared to a jr Major FO, could be debated.

 

[n77j]

And the QOL as a senior regional capt when compared to a jr Major FO, could be debated.

True Dat!

 

[Nick]

Then there are those with the opposite mentality, who even go from good regional to mediocre first year major airline pay and like it.

I guy I talked to a month ago left what is considered to be the regional with the best work rules and top 3 in pay at least. He was in the top 100 out of thousands when he left and in his words, "I'd rather be number five thousand at [major airline] than number 1 at [regional]."

Different strokes for different folks. He is making double what he made as one of the better paid RJ pilots in the nation, too. So it didn't take long to match the pay.

 

[Alchemy]

Pot calls kettle black, film at eleven.

The bottom line is that when a labor group flat-out refuses to do something, that work is gonna get outsourced. It happens in every segment of unionized industry. EVERY one. Mainline pilots weren't interested in flying 50-seat jets, so they were outsourced. By that definition, and by yours, EVERY regional pilot group are "tantamount to traitors to the world of...airline pilots".

You can't have your cake and eat it too, kids.

Bottom line, don't work at GoJet. You can try and justify it all you want, but it's bad news. Don't do it.

 

[Airdale]

My point? You went to work for an airline with crappy work rules and no union yet you come on here and put down those that make the same decision because some how you've seen the light all the sudden.
Furthermore you call out a UPS Captain for.....some reason....

I did go work for Colgan. My decision to work there was heavily based upon recommendations from my friend Seggy. The place wasn't bad and it was pretty certain ALPA would get voted in. That didn't happen, Pinnacle took over and I LEFT. What part of that don't you get? I didn't go chose to work for a crappy operation, it turned crappy and I bailed.

And -

I wasn't calling Don out, just returning the favor. I don't see anything "uncivil" in this thread. Anytime you talk about an operation like Gojets, you're going to have heated debates. I think everyone here is being civil. It was an unnecessary shot.

Nice job on keeping JC pure and keeping flamebait out of your posts.....

 

[aloft]

You can try and justify it all you want, but it's bad news. Don't do it.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying be professional and do some actual research instead of relying upon the ill-informed rants of others or spreading rumor and innuendo like a teenage girl. :whatever:

It's the mark of an educated professional to approach the unknown with an open but critical mind. "I heard somebody say in the crew room that they're a buncha scabs!" hardly rises to this standard.

 

[aloft]

Steve, the position Aloft is taking (and you are agreeing with) is right... if you are only thinking about yourself. Fortunately, many people try to see bigger picture and improve things for others as well as themselves.

I hope you've got some O2 to suck on while sitting up on that high horse of yours. Please tell me exactly how YOU haven't undermined the profession by working for the wages you do and undercutting mainline pilots....I know, I know, you were only thinking about yourself and that shiny jet....

 

[SIUav8er]

...that's it aloft, you're no longer welcome in my cars passenger seat when you need a ride to work!

who do you fly for again? wait...nobody, right? not that that really matters, but for someone that doesnt make their living flying, you sure have a lot of negatives slander to dish out to those that DO fly professionally. Even if its for a company that you dont like.

 

[SIUav8er]

I did go work for Colgan. My decision to work there was heavily based upon recommendations from my friend Seggy. The place wasn't bad and it was pretty certain ALPA would get voted in. That didn't happen, Pinnacle took over and I LEFT. What part of that don't you get? I didn't go chose to work for a crappy operation, it turned crappy and I bailed.

And -

I wasn't calling Don out, just returning the favor. I don't see anything "uncivil" in this thread. Anytime you talk about an operation like Gojets, you're going to have heated debates. I think everyone here is being civil. It was an unnecessary shot.

Wait, did the work rules/pay change? not really! they got some new airplanes, but other than that its business as usual at Colgan from what i understand. so they got bought out...what exactly did that change? you worked for a bottom feeding regional and yet you bash the hell out of people that did the same thing you did....i dont get it!

 

[Chris_Ford]

I hope you've got some O2 to suck on while sitting up on that high horse of yours. Please tell me exactly how YOU haven't undermined the profession by working for the wages you do and undercutting mainline pilots....I know, I know, you were only thinking about yourself and that shiny jet....

:yup::yup::yup:

PLEASE, Aloft. PLEASEEEEEEE go fly for GoJet. I would absolutely recommend it. Fantastic place.

1) To my knowledge, Ethan didn't negotiate the regional he works for's pay rate.
2) To my knowledge, Ethan is smart enough to vote no if an insult of a contract comes up to bat.

I hate saying this but I have had to say it far too many times lately. The regionals are what they are.

GIVEN: It is 2008
GIVEN: Rates were lowered in 2001-04
GIVEN: Airline X's contract becomes amendable 2011
THEREFORE: You can't do anything about the situation until it's contract time.

As for why GoJet is a scummy operation? Trans States Holdings was at one time hiring people and furloughing people at the same time. About 10 good friends of mine were furloughed, so this isn't some made up story.

Go work there, you'll be happier than a pig in slop.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

who do you fly for again? wait...nobody, right? not that that really matters, but for someone that doesnt make their living flying, you sure have a lot of negatives slander to dish out to those that DO fly professionally. Even if its for a company that you dont like.

*sigh*

...is that all you got, I mean seriously, is it???

To to atack and discredit me because I haven't yet succeed at my dream?

Please, I would have expected someone to come better than that, is all I'm saying.

That's tantamount to kicking, down a retard and laughing at him, but +1 for you dude, ya got me, ya killed it!

You won, I'm beaten.

Furthermore, the post you quoted was truly said with extreme sarcasm, and humor.

Sorry that you didn't get it sport!

 

[BobDDuck]

I hope you've got some O2 to suck on while sitting up on that high horse of yours. Please tell me exactly how YOU haven't undermined the profession by working for the wages you do and undercutting mainline pilots....I know, I know, you were only thinking about yourself and that shiny jet....

Well, I haven't undermined wages at mainline because our airplanes were given to us BY MAINLINE ALPA. As far as rates go? They aren't great, but at the time of negotiation, everybody else was taking cuts, we actually brought or rates up. Oh yeah, and we TURNED DOWN NEW AIRPLANES because they DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH to make it worth our while to fly them.

I'm not on a high horse. I work for one of the few regionals (TSA and AWAC being the other two that come to mind) that told management to #### off when they offered them bigger/more airplanes but for rates that wouldn't help the industry. Oh wait, but I forgot... that's not admirable in your book because you need to choose your battles or something.

Well, I'm choosing mine.

Like Chris, two of my good friends lost their jobs because of GoJets.

I'm done with this thread. You can lead a horse to water, but you can only point the way to the glue factory... or something like that.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

You guys are getting 800 & 900's?

Hopefully 900ER's!

It's only options for -800s for now, but we have rates in our contract for everything from an Avro up to a 747.

The perception is that management is waiting until we finalize a contract before firming up the orders on -800s so they'll have their costs known beforehand. They want to get us to fly them for the same rate, but that would be a concession unless we do a blended rate and bring up the -700 pay, so that won't fly.

 

[aloft]

As for why GoJet is a scummy operation? Trans States Holdings was at one time hiring people and furloughing people at the same time. About 10 good friends of mine were furloughed, so this isn't some made up story.

That's too bad for your friends, but you've proven zero causality there.

 

[Alchemy]

Please tell me exactly how YOU haven't undermined the profession by working for the wages you do and undercutting mainline pilots........

The GoJet pilot group was created solely to circumvent the collective bargaining process at TSA. No other 121 pilot group that I'm aware of (other than freedom-a) can claim such inauspicious origins.

That fact alone makes GoJet different, and much worse in my opinion, than other regional pilot groups.

 

[aloft]

The GoJet pilot group was created solely to circumvent the collective bargaining process at TSA.

So you're in management at TSA Holdings? No? Then how would you know?

Citation, please; if you're gonna start stating things AS FACT, you're gonna have to prove the veracity of your statements.

 

[Judge]

.....

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

EVERY regional pilot has undercut the profession by accepting far less than what mainline pilots would fly the same equipment.

Mainline pilots willfully outsourced that flying through exceptions in their scope clauses. No one ever "undercut" them to get it. It was given away of their own volition. The TSA pilots specifically had a clause in their contract that prohibited the creation of an alter-ego carrier, but Hulas managed to get lucky enough to get an anti-labor arbitrator to basically ignore the contract.

The bottom line is that when a labor group flat-out refuses to do something

The TSA pilots never flat-out refused to do anything. They simply demanded a reasonable payrate to do the flying that was governed by their CBA.

I can guarantee you that TSA's management beat their heads against the wall trying to find a way NOT to have to spend $$$$ duplicating all the overhead a second carrier necessitated by the TSA pilot group's refusal to negotiate (and let's be honest with ourselves: if you can't find an acceptable middle ground after three rounds of negotiation, you deserve what you get; we're talking only few thousand dollars per year here.)

They couldn't come to the middle ground because Hulas is an egotistical maniac that refused to negotiate with the pilots. He demanded the same payrates and nothing else. That's not negotiating, that's issuing ultimatums. It's supposed to be illegal, but the anti-labor Bush administration refuses to enforce the law. There was no "beating their heads against the wall," because Hulas never intended to come to a reasonable agreement with the pilots. The plan was always to outsource the flying to break the union, but he would have settled for beating the union into submission on taking the exact same rates as the 50-seaters. In other words, the only acceptable outcome to him was the beating down of the union. Win-win negotiations isn't in Hulas' vocabulary.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

It's only options for -800s for now, but we have rates in our contract for everything from an Avro up to a 747.

The perception is that management is waiting until we finalize a contract before firming up the orders on -800s so they'll have their costs known beforehand. They want to get us to fly them for the same rate, but that would be a concession unless we do a blended rate and bring up the -700 pay, so that won't fly.

A.Net says that you guys are getting bought out by Southwest, and if it's on a.net, it has to be true.

Just has to be!

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

That's too bad for your friends, but you've proven zero causality there.

GoJet pilots were flying routes that had been flown by TSA pilots just the week prior while TSA pilots were getting furloughed. The causality is clear to anyone who's willing to look. You seem to be too focused on defending the indefensible to see what's right in front of your face.