Going to India :)

MikeD said:
They're both overrated.....
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Ouch...sad but true

And I think that the new ACPP that ATP is running definitely spoon feeds people. Not trying to sound too old and crusty, but when I went through the program I received about 6 hours of ground school during my PPL training (and that mainly consisted of watching videos). For my PMEL, my instructor wasn't standardized in the seminole yet so all we could do for the first 4 days was ground/sim. The only problem was, he didn't know what the hell he was talking about! My partner and I corrected him on many things. Then during our IRA training, we were given maybe 6 hours of ground school. The only time I went through any formal ground school was at CFI school and then after my MEI training, it was back to no ground school again.

Edit: I just realized I am contributing to the hijacking of the thread. I apologize to the original poster. Congrats on the jobs in India and Germany!
 
guywhoflies said:
Not trying to sound too old and crusty, but when I went through the program I received about 6 hours of ground school during my PPL training (and that mainly consisted of watching videos).
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Don't worry... you don't sound too old and crusty. They didn't even have the PPL program when a bunch of us went through.

And Tony, congrats on the job. It's great to hear about somebody finding work in this current economy. A lot of the guys I fly with used to fly the D328 (the big brother of what you are going to fly). They absolutely loved it.
 
Ethan,

Comparing the D228 to the D328 is like trying to find commonalities between apples and telephone booths. They aren't even in the same league. That being said, anyone who loves the D328 clearly lacks the depth of experience to make such a statement. That thing was an over-engineered piece of feces! (I flew it, so I get to make fun of it)

Back to the original topic and congratulations to the OP. As BobDDuck said, anybody who finds flying work in this economy is one lucky SOB!
 
I don't think this is thread drift but wouldn't you guys be more interested in hearing how LOGS and tonynsx got their unusual jobs in India than having another flight school "discussion" ? The thread title was "Going to India".

I'm guessing everyone already knows about flight schools but post-school employment is a pretty interesting and important subject. You may or may not work exclusively in the USA for your entire career...something to think about if nothing else.

Even if you have no intention of trying for expat work, it's pretty interesting stuff...part of aviation.

LOGS,

How'd you get that job...agency...know someone...freak accident ? Why India ? Previous KA time ? If so, how much ? Were you KA current when hired ? If not, did they pay for school ? What was your total time when you got hired ? Is the airplane N-registered ? If not, what was the license validation process like ? Flying single pilot ? If not, the FOs OK ? What's your schedule like ? What are the living accomodations ? Any health/security issues there ? Your bosses treat you OK ? They pay on time ? Any concern about ending up in jail if you have an accident or incident ? I'm must've forgotten something...oh yeah, how are the women...they like gringos ?

tonynsx,

Answer as many of the questions as apply to your deal.

:D:D:D
 
bafanguy said:
LOGS,

How'd you get that job...agency...know someone...freak accident ? Why India ? Previous KA time ? If so, how much ? Were you KA current when hired ? If not, did they pay for school ? What was your total time when you got hired ? Is the airplane N-registered ? If not, what was the license validation process like ? Flying single pilot ? If not, the FOs OK ? What's your schedule like ? What are the living accomodations ? Any health/security issues there ? Your bosses treat you OK ? They pay on time ? Any concern about ending up in jail if you have an accident or incident ? I'm must've forgotten something...oh yeah, how are the women...they like gringos ?

tonynsx,

Answer as many of the questions as apply to your deal.

:D:D:D
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Crap lots of questions...ok here goes
Got the job from a buddy who got his job from a buddy. Really in the corporate side of things its usually word of mouth. There is one guy GB Menon, that does high for charter airlines. I think he orginally got the first guy for our company but usually its just word of mouth.

India because well I got the job and they paid quite alot and really need us.

Had 250 hrs PIC, last flight was about 9 months before I got there, was flying Metro III's up until then. You HAVE to have a min of 100 hrs PIC to fly anything with a VT tail # DGCA rules.

They wouldn't pay for your school. Many of them know how it is around the country and if they don't find what exactly they want in you theres 10 other guys ready to take the job.

2500ish TT

Nope, Indian tail numbers VT... IF they had a N #, it would be much much easier. Wouldn't have to worry about getting a temp DGCA license or doing your FATA. You could sit right seat, etc etc but that's hard to come by nowadays.

My conversion/temp license was EXTREMELY easy. My company did everything, I didn't have to do one single thing really. I don't know if this is the usual but from who I've talked with from different companies, I'm just lucky.

No single pilot, the FO's are worthless. If you were to become unconscious during the flight, don't expect to wake up alive.

Schedule is on-demandish. Honestly its really easy, you'll get a couple hours notice, and not fly much. Most likely average round 20-30 hours a month on a good month. i did have 70 hrs in Jan. Companyies decent, accomdination isn't bad.

Pilot's are the MOST respectable job in India period. That means you are on the top and should act as such. If something doesn't meet your levels, demand it gets fixed. If something messes with "your happiness" make it clear to the company and they will fix it. I can go on and on about this, its freakn awesome.

If i were ever to get an accident/incident then you just go back home to the states. After being here and realizing that, I'm in the process of getting switched over to a candian ATPL as well, so if I were ever to lose my FAA license/medical, i'll just go fly in Canada.

You can get away with anything here. From being pulled over for blowing a light or possibly drinking too much, a stearn voice, pulling out your cellphone and demanding to talk to the cops boss will get you out of everything. If not 100-500 RP's (2-5 bucks US) will get you out of it. Even to the extreme of other things. I heard a story that our company had a Hawker Captain that made it a happen of raping room service boys. Messed up yes but the company didn't do anything about it and one day the guy just flew back to the States and that was the last of that. Pretty wild huh.

Girls are easy when your white depending on where you live. But yes adding the I'm a pilot will make things VERY easy. But you'll soon realize that once they turn like 28ish they become very ugly and fat but they great for temp relief.

India really is a blast. I'm loving it and gonna stay here till the tit runs dry. It is becoming increasingly hard to get a job here. The government and DGCA is "trying" to get expats out. The say now by 2011, but it won't happen. The pilots here are terrible for the most part and the last 5 crashes in this country have been due to all indian crew. Its sad, I'm a instructor pilot here on the 90/200 and the guys I've trained said they NEVER in all their training have done what I've done and its just the basic crap.


Well sorry for the long post, any other questions just ask.

=Jason-

The major downside to this job is that its really ruining me for when I do go back to the states. I'm gonna get in alot of trouble and have high standards and I don't think there's really a job in the states like this. Oh well :D
 
LOGS,


Great info. Thanks for posting. I can see why you don't want to come back here. Maybe someone will benefit from your experience.

You did well despite a Kingfisher or two !! :laff::laff:
 
I am training several indian pilots at the moment. They are the WORST pilots in the world. What's even more scary is they all have a job in the right seat of a A320 as soon as they get their multi/commercial. They are so bad that they go an unnamed school here in the U.S. and pay $1500 to the examiner to get their license. I won't sign them off... I just get their requirements out of the way and send them elsewhere... the schools here in the U.S. which sign off don't really care about how well they fly since they know they're going straight to India and will never fly in the U.S.

It's corrupt in India as well. You pay some $$$ and get your license converted, no prob... pay another $30-40K and you have a FO job for Air India... India wants to get to all the foreigners out and use only Indian pilots by 2011 but there is no way it's going to happen. These FO's will spend the next 10 years bringing the gear up and that's about it...
 
SoCalFlyer2 said:
I am training several indian pilots at the moment. They are the WORST pilots in the world. What's even more scary is they all have a job in the right seat of a A320 as soon as they get their multi/commercial. They are so bad that they go an unnamed school here in the U.S. and pay $1500 to the examiner to get their license. I won't sign them off... I just get their requirements out of the way and send them elsewhere... the schools here in the U.S. which sign off don't really care about how well they fly since they know they're going straight to India and will never fly in the U.S.

It's corrupt in India as well. You pay some $$$ and get your license converted, no prob... pay another $30-40K and you have a FO job for Air India... India wants to get to all the foreigners out and use only Indian pilots by 2011 but there is no way it's going to happen. These FO's will spend the next 10 years bringing the gear up and that's about it...
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I don't know where you are getting your information about them already having jobs coming back to India since there's over 2000 pilots here in India without a job. I have instructed both Indian and Chinese students and the Chinese are much much worse and they do already have a job when they get back because they do it by hiring people who are healthy and will "last" a long time for the airline, and the airline pays to get them trained. The indians are better but that's really not saying much at all.

=Jason-
 
LOGS said:
I don't know where you are getting your information about them already having jobs coming back to India since there's over 2000 pilots here in India without a job. I have instructed both Indian and Chinese students and the Chinese are much much worse and they do already have a job when they get back because they do it by hiring people who are healthy and will "last" a long time for the airline, and the airline pays to get them trained. The indians are better but that's really not saying much at all.

=Jason-
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I'm getting my information straight from my students. They come from wealthy families and have political connections. The airlines do not pay for their training and there is a "fee" to get the job. The parents of my last student recently called me to thank me for my help. Their daughter is now a FO on an A320. She was a terrible pilot and I wouldn't even sign her off for her multi/commercial. I sent her elsewhere to a get signed off and she passed her checkride.

India is very corrupt. The 2000 pilots without a job don't have the $40K in the bank to hand over to the airline / "recruiter". 40K= A320 FO job...
 
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