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Gonzo
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No insult to other Regional Pilots but, personally, i see no difference between GOJETS and most other Regional Airlines as far as pay and benefits. They all stink-sorry
Do you or have you ever worked for a Regional?
n77j
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Lost interest in the Regional- i never worked to answer your question. I have buddies in some Commuter or Regional airlines (whatever you want to call them these days) who are Captains flying Q400, still stuggling to break $50,000 a year after 5 and 6 years of employment. It ain't my thang-
Gonzo
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Lost interest in the Regional- i never worked to answer your question. I have buddies in some Commuter or Regional airlines (whatever you want to call them these days) who are Captains flying Q400, still stuggling to break $50,000 a year after 5 and 6 years of employment. It ain't my thang-
No insult to other Regional Pilots but, personally, i see no difference between GOJETS and most other Regional Airlines as far as pay and benefits. They all stink-sorry
So just to recap. You have no clue about what your talking about. Also even at MMG your buddies are making over 50K.
n77j
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You don't need to be in the Regional to know that working condtions and pay suck. I have been in this field for a while. Make your point??? If you are happy working $18/20,000 at Regional Airlines such as Colgan, Commutair-be my guest. Now tell me, why should i work at Commutair vs Gojet? Because i am the little guy from the Corporate world with no clue!
Baronman
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No insult to other Regional Pilots but, personally, i see no difference between GOJETS and most other Regional Airlines as far as pay and benefits. They all stink-sorry
I'd be impressed if you said you've worked for 6 airlines and have come to this conclusion...However it appears that you've worked for no Regionals, so I'd say your conclusion (using your words) "stinks."
Whether you're talking pay or contract rules (or lake thereof in certain Western based carriers) there are differences, some being good, some being bad. It's easy to thumb your nose because generally speaking regional flying is challenging, long hours, not great pay etc...
If you don't see any difference between Regionals, do you feel the same way about the Legacy Carriers basically being all the same?
For some reason... everyone is being tight lipped about this. No body wants to talk about it even though it's the big elephant in the room. One of the requests in the new TSA contract, as part of scope, is at least some kind of seniority integration with Gojet. Company is on record saying they do not want to merge the certificates but have never said that they do not want to merge the lists. Whatever happens, somethings got to give because there is no way the pilot group will vote anything with no scope protection. The company will just transfer everything to Gojet.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I was making $65k within my first five years in this career. Not great, but nothing to be ashamed of, either.
n77j
Well-Known Member
Based on all the information that i was able to collect (from friends who joined the Regionals and my own research), i had no interest in the Regional world due to many factors. If you read my thread, i said most of them have sucky pay, schedules, and so forth. Isn't that what most people whine about many times in a thread that involves about Regional Airlines contract? I am having a heard time comprehending what the differences are between Gojets, Pinnacle, Commutair, and Cologan, for example. If you can elaborate, go for it- but in my view there are no differences. Maybe the word "stink" may have insulted you, but to be honest i have said that to my buddies who work in the Regionals-they agree!
n77j
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ATN,
Not bad but look at the starting pay or even the second and third year pay in some of the Regional carriers-it is sad. It is embarassing to hear on a major network news that some of these guys have to work another job to supplements their income. I just hate to see this profession sinking down the hole and seeing Pilots making fastfood wages.
SoCalAprch
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Easy, when you merge the lists anyone who is active cannot be bumped to furloughed status or back to an FO. When the furloughs get called back they take their spot wherever their seniority holds and the more senior FOs get first stab at upgrades. It sucks for the current furloughed pilots and some of the more senior FOs but it will be the best for the greater good of the pilots.
SoCalAprch
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I agree but the problem here lies with all the young guys who will do anything to get a job for $20 K a year. It kind of hampers our negotiating power when management knows that they have 10,000 resumes of people willing to do the work for the crap wages that we have now. If more people were like you and more people currently at the regionals weren't so apathetic I think we would start to see much bigger steps in the right direction.
n77j
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True..it will be a long ways before we see improvements.
Most people don't have any say in that. That's what the market has determined to be fair pay. The only way we can change that is one contract at a time. The pay has more or less stayed with the mentality that regional operators are still the 1900/Metroliner operations that they were 10/20 years ago. Maybe the unions, economy, are to blame for that but you can't blame one young guy looking to get it. What is the alternative? Work at ameriflight or some pt135 place and you make maybe 1000 more a month, but after year one you make about the same and you double when you upgrade. What if you don't want to fly night cargo in the first place? Pay is very low all around.
Regionals suck compared to what? Flying pt135 or pt91 for an owner? It depends on who you're asking. Everyone at a regional has a schedule, pay is very low first year but becomes livable as an FO(barely) and ok once you upgrade. Most places that I've seen pt135 pay very low and are eventually toped by most regionals as long as you upgrade. I did some pt91 flying and thought never again, I like the structured environment and the fact that you have control over schedule at airlines. To each his own.
n77j
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SOCAL321,
I do agree with you. Trust me part 91/135 has its low points too. Flying 14 hours and then barely 8-10 hours rest and then fly back another 8-10 hours the next day and so on, ain't fun either. Some pay well some like you mentioned-Ameriflight- suck. But here i am comparing the Regional guys and why, especially Gojet, is picked on more than anyone else. The fact of the matter is that entry level pay and benefits needs to be improved in the Regional level.
I do agree with you. Trust me part 91/135 has its low points too. Flying 14 hours and then barely 8-10 hours rest and then fly back another 8-10 hours the next day and so on, ain't fun either. Some pay well some like you mentioned-Ameriflight- suck. But here i am comparing the Regional guys and why, especially Gojet, is picked on more than anyone else. The fact of the matter is that entry level pay and benefits needs to be improved in the Regional level.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
This is why people were knocking what you said before. *IF* you'd actually spent time in the regional world you'd understand that nobody is angry at GoJet because of their pay relative to other CR7 operators.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
If anything, all I've ever read about pay at Gojet on here has been positive when comparing it to other regionals, such as G7 pilots getting de-ice pay while other UAX regionals don't. Use the search function and find the long-winded threads where the beginnings of the company are explained and you will see what the hostilities you've probably read in the past were about.