meritflyer
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Did real pilots like to share the van with you when you were at Gulfstream?
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Did real pilots like to share the van with you when you were at Gulfstream?
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Cruise
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Who am I? Better question, who are you??? I've done (and continue to do) more than my fair share of helping to further the profession. Tell me again, what have you done? Todd has repeatedly acknowledged his mistake, has done a TON of volunteer work to improve the profession. So yeah, I say he's paid his dues!
But that's enough on this....I'm not going to get into this with you on here, if you have any valid questions, feel free to PM me.
As far as forgive and forget....depends. If someone can prove to me they've realized the error of their ways, then so be it. I don't support the radio nonsense. But I proudly have an Anti-Alter eGO Jet sticker on my bag.
I'd like to know more about this "share the van" bs.
When the van shows up, if I'm staying at that hotel and there's room on the van (and if it's down to not "sharing" the van because of another flight crew, there is), I'm getting on.
If you want to wait for the next shuttle in 20 minutes and cut into your rest, be my guest. If I've been released, I'm going to the hotel ASAP. You're more than welcome to stand on the sidewalk on your dignity.
-mini
Cruise
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I'd like to elaborate a bit more. Didn't mean to sound arrogant in my last post (and hope it didn't come off that way) regarding "who am I?" Obviously, there is always room for greater effort towards working to improve the profession, and I am no exception...despite what I'm doing now or in the past, I could do more. Also, and more importantly, there are many, many more out there who've done waaay more than I probably ever will.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
As far as the Freedoms: I have one on my desktop computer. It is actually the original list.. My stuff is still in boxes, but I'll see about getting it for you if you want
jhugz
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@Spira - Why would you fault someone for going to GoJet's now? Obviously GoJet A'listers but those who go to GoJet now I don't see it being a problem. We all know what the company was created for yadayada yada, not arguing that was a bad setup however.
So how can we right this wrong? The obvious answer is to merge the lists. The only way this is going to happen is if GoJet B'listers (LOL) that actual care about the industry get on w/ the company and strive to better it.
Will ALPA support a drive if a seniority list integration is in the works?
So how can we right this wrong? The obvious answer is to merge the lists. The only way this is going to happen is if GoJet B'listers (LOL) that actual care about the industry get on w/ the company and strive to better it.
Will ALPA support a drive if a seniority list integration is in the works?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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It's a safe bet, yeah. Integrating the lists is the only viable solution at this point. Trying to ostracize people will not work. Hell, tons of the GoJet pilots at this point are furloughed UAL pilots, anyway, with the pref hiring negotiated by UAL ALPA. Anyone who gives a GoJet pilot a hard time today could very well be giving a hard time to an ALPA member in good standing who is furloughed by a mainline carrier. Times have changed.
P.S. Never thought I'd see the day that jhugz would quote me in his signature. Weird.
jhugz
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Lets be honest though. The only way the list is going to be integrated is if some type of seat lock will stay in effect. As much as it sucks for the TSA guys and gals it's the only way it's going to happen.
Something like a date of hire integration w/ captains on the GoJet side never having to downgrade due to the integration along w/ GoJet pilots not being furloughed to bring back TSA furloughs. Again not the most ideal situation but it may get two pilot groups under one list, with one group representing, which means one voice.
Something like a date of hire integration w/ captains on the GoJet side never having to downgrade due to the integration along w/ GoJet pilots not being furloughed to bring back TSA furloughs. Again not the most ideal situation but it may get two pilot groups under one list, with one group representing, which means one voice.
aloft
New Member
Finally, a sensible post outta you. Nice work.It's a safe bet, yeah. Integrating the lists is the only viable solution at this point. Trying to ostracize people will not work. Hell, tons of the GoJet pilots at this point are furloughed UAL pilots, anyway, with the pref hiring negotiated by UAL ALPA. Anyone who gives a GoJet pilot a hard time today could very well be giving a hard time to an ALPA member in good standing who is furloughed by a mainline carrier. Times have changed.
P.S. Never thought I'd see the day that jhugz would quote me in his signature. Weird.
Then how will you integrate by DOH? Doesn't TSA have furloughees dating back to GoJets beginnings?
(I'm going by second hand info here and genuinely curious, hence the question. So don't stab the 135 dude, k?)
-mini
jhugz
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I think they do. But like I said I think it could happen as long as there is some type of seat lock (don't know if this is the correct terminology) for the captains (i/e they won't get downgraded because of the integration and no GJ pilots will be furloughed to bring back TSA pilots.)
How long will that last? Eventually that "seat lock" or whatever is going to expire and then what? You'll have furloughs out of seniority (and from experience -as a guy on the lower part of the seniority list-, I can tell you that just ain't right) and something will need to be done.
...unless you're going to make it permanent. So you're going to guarantee those GJ pilots their jobs no matter what (regarding furlough)?
Seems like an absolute mess. To be honest, if I were at GJ right now, I'd be hesitant. I think the idea is a good one, but I'm not sure about how to execute it properly.
