tlewis95
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Pretty much. Now, give me some low level, glider aerobatics, for some hardcore flying.
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Pretty much. Now, give me some low level, glider aerobatics, for some hardcore flying.
SFCC/UND
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tlewis95
I drive planes
Then obviously you haven't flown enough. FAIL
Have YOU ever flown in a glider? Maybe tried to do a 200 miles cross country in one? Go do that, and tell me that it doesn't take some extraordinary level of situational awareness and really good decision making skills. On top of needing perfect stick and rudder skills on these 70 foot wingspans and their obnoxiously large amounts of adverse yaw. Try cranking around in a 60 degree turn 500 feet above a bean field making tiny tiny changes in hopes of climbing away, all just a few knots away from a stall, flying at the edge of the sailplanes performance envelope. Your funny.
SFCC/UND
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Try flying a multi engine on one engine. You don't have to fly gliders in order to become a better pilot. Time and practice in a airplane will give you all the skill you ever need because we train a lot with incorrect usage of rudder during power on stalls and cross control stall.
tlewis95
I drive planes
I have, and I think wheel landing a Cessna 140 is harder than a blue line climb. lol
SFCC/UND
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It's more than that. Bank no more than five degrees, press and hold the rudder all the way to it's limit. To make it fun tape a string to the glass and perform zero slideslip. Then secure the engine and then shoot a single engine ILS approach. Can you do that in a glider?
tlewis95
I drive planes
Right right right. A "yaw string?" Every glider has one of those on it, because if we are slipping, at all, we are dropping like a rock. With the huge wings, adverse yaw is pretty high. Now can you shut both engines off on your twin and fly it 200 miles? Or more? I think the record is 1200nm in a glider.
so you are admitting the rudder has more uses than just recovering from a spin?
and what's with acting like getting a MEL rating makes you an awesome stick? yes, at first, it makes you feel cool and like you can do anything when you can fly an ILS (but try and NDB) approach single engine, but there are much more difficult and visceral flying experiences out there. get some real experience before you go out there talking like the biggest and best pilot in a room full of them.
oh, and try using that rudder more often. it'll make you a better pilot and your passengers will thank you. if you still aren't sure how to use it, get in a glider or a tailwheel.
SFCC/UND
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nice try. Obviously you're new here and I don't want to scare you away, but I have done every approach legal for a multi to do. I love how you're accusing me of being the best pilot here, the only thing I am doing is showing that flying gliders is not going to make you the best single engine pilot. It takes a lot of practice and determination in order to improve your flying skills. Passengers are not going to thank you. You can have the best flight and the world and your landing sucks and they will make fun of your landing rather than your flying skills.
tlewis95
I drive planes
Especially when your glider flying skills give you the skill and practice to make a decision to make that smooth landing in a river (oh, lets say the Hudson) instead of trying to stretch a glider like a lot of other pilots would have done and failed at.
youngflyer
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Enough! Both make you better pilots. Argument ended.
MNFlyGuy
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You must have been the initial instructor for a number of people that have ended up in a plane with me. In the short time I have had my CFI use of the rudder, in all phases of flight, seems to be one of the weakest areas I have seen in certified pilots. Use it right to start with, along with some other basics, and you wont need it in a spin!
SFCC/UND
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Wow, you're basing my flying skills on a statement that I said. How I teach my students is my business and when they pass the checkride that means I did my job right. So you have no right making those kinds of false assumptions. Re read your last part and tell me what you said makes sense! Of course you need rudders to get out of a spin.
SFCC/UND
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I'm trying too, but random new people keep on making a big deal about it.
the only that scares me is that you are teaching new pilots with the arrogance of someone who has a lifetime of flying under their belt. and i am certainly not accusing you of being the best pilot here - only acting like it.
a lot of us have probably spent a lot more time flying multis and teaching than you, but have YOU ever flown a glider? arguing with more experienced pilots, especially in areas you have no expertise, really shows how naive and inexperienced you are.
keep in mind, just because you can fly a twin and have a CFI doesn't mean there is nothing left your peers and especially your elders can teach you. wisdom is what keeps us alive in this job and the only way to continue to gain it is to keep an open mind.
WacoFan
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I only understand the "no rudders" point of view if you are instructing in an Ercoupe. Other than that rudders come in pretty handy. I mean, they put them on an airplane for a reason and it isn't because they look pretty. Neatest thing about flying to me is that you can seek out so many different things to learn and get better at that it never gets boring (if you are into learning and getting better).
SFCC/UND
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I'm not acting like I'm best at anything, I'm just point out my views. Look at your second paragraph, tell me that seems a little bit naive and inexperienced you are. You're taking my comments and blowing them way out of proportion. I'm am happy and satisfied with my teaching methods along with the FAA.
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