Giving ATIS code before Taxi

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zachoe

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Had a little conversation with a fellow pilot about whether or not it's expected that us pilots advise Ground Control that we have ATIS information XXX upon initial contact. I always give the ATIS code to Clearance and Approach, but no instructor has told me that ground needs to know.

I ask because all the airline folks check in with ground saying "Southwest 1749 at spot 4 with Alpha" or something like that.

Common procedure? What do you guys usually do?
 
zachoe said:
Had a little conversation with a fellow pilot about whether or not it's expected that us pilots advise Ground Control that we have ATIS information XXX upon initial contact. I always give the ATIS code to Clearance and Approach, but no instructor has told me that ground needs to know.

I ask because all the airline folks check in with ground saying "Southwest 1749 at spot 4 with Alpha" or something like that.

Common procedure? What do you guys usually do?
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yes common, the basic 5 W's when making an initial call

Who you're talking to
Who you are
Where you are
What you want to do
Weather code
 
I do, because it reduces the comm of them having to ask you if you have the current ATIS, and you having to answer.
 
I don't if I've already given it to Clearance Delivery.


(basic 5 w's...you're cracking me up dood. Wait. I'm too old to say "dood". :( )
 
SteveC said:
I don't if I've already given it to Clearance Delivery.


(basic 5 w's...you're cracking me up dood. Wait. I'm too old to say "dood". :( )
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Agree. I had assumed there wasn't a clearance delivery available. But I agree with you.
 
When I talk to Clearance, I'll give tell them which ATIS I have. if it's changed by the time I talk to ground (or metering, depending on where I am), I'll give them the current one.

In ORD, metering seems to insist that you tell them which ATIS you have. Silliness . . .
 
As a controller at a smaller facility, if an IFR guy tells me he has the current weather code when he calls up for his clearance, chances are I'm going to remember he had this code. But if I forget, or take the position from someone else, if I don't hear the current weather code, I'll give them the numbers and any thing that is important, when they call for taxi (Unless there is a laundry list of NOTAMs/HAZ WX etc), then they have to go get all that information. If a VFR guy calls me and doesn't give me "I have the numbers" or the current weather code, I will tell them "Information (WX code) is current" and depending on everything that is on there, I give them the numbers or tell them to "advise when you have (WX code)".
 
I've only ever given atis codes to ground and approach. Never had anyone in clearance delivery ask me. If I'm talking to a combined ground/clnc del then I will give it to them after I readback and am ready to taxi out of the line.
 
///AMG said:
I've only ever given atis codes to ground and approach. Never had anyone in clearance delivery ask me. If I'm talking to a combined ground/clnc del then I will give it to them after I readback and am ready to taxi out of the line.
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You don't fly into a lot of VFR towers VFR do you?
 
The ground guys where I trained were anal about having the ATIS. It may be somewhere in the 7110.65 that they have to confirm which ATIS you have, I'm not sure.

I haven't flown much out of airports with a separate clearance delivery, but if you've already told CD which ATIS you have, I'd omit it when calling ground.
 
Seems that despite me giving the ATIS code to ground and approach, I'm always queried as to whether or not I have the current ATIS.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Seems that despite me giving the ATIS code to ground and approach, I'm always queried as to whether or not I have the current ATIS.
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Ditto. I'd say half the time, right after saying "...with Lima," the controller will say "Roger, information Lima is current." Liability issue? Not sure.
 
we are required to make sure you have the current information. If we don't make sure you have the proper ATIS and anything happens, we are whipped beaten and flogged. No but seriously, we are pressured to make sure you have the proper information.
 
Yeah, there have been times that some said they had the ATIS, and I still asked them to verify they have information xxx, sometimes I forget, or I may have not heard it or whatever.

The last line on every ATIS is "advise on initial contact you have information xxx" To me that is self explanatory. Give it to approach or tower inbound, whoever you talk to first. Outbound, give it to clearance first if there is a clearance, or give it to ground first if clearance and ground are combined. The one exception that I can see is if you are getting your clearance well in advance of you taxi time. Then, the ATIS is irrelevant to your clearance and may change by the time you taxi. If unsure though, and you gave it to clearance, repeat it to ground, no biggie to add two word to your conversation. Also, if you are an inbound IFR, and a different facility handles the radar for that airport, at least where I'm at, the TRACON is responsible for making sure you have the ATIS, so you don't need to say it again to the tower, since you already said it on your initial contact in the terminal environment.
 
Sunburn said:
You don't fly into a lot of VFR towers VFR do you?
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Haha, good point.....now that you mention it, when I was on det in El Centro recently, we operated 100% VFR, and without a dedicated approach facility at the altitudes we were working (mostly low levels and transits from the local restricted areas), I did have to give tower the atis code on check-in. Still I would say that it has been my experience that atis is given when ready to taxi, not when getting a clearance. Maybe some facilities that I haven't been to operate differently though
 
mtsu_av8er said:
In ORD, metering seems to insist that you tell them which ATIS you have. Silliness . . .
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If you are flying for a company that gets your flight plans through the PDC, then at ORD, metering is the initial contact. Regardless, a majority of pilots flying out of ORD report the wrong ATIS code anyways.
 
Last thing Atis says is advise on INITIAL contact you have information XXXXX. Whoever you talk to first, that is your initial contact, tell them you have XXXXX. If ground wants to verify you have it, tell them you have it and move on with your day.
 
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