Getting IFR current, in VFR, with a hood on, flying solo, in class B?
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MidlifeFlyer
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Are you actually thinking that if someone else also has responsibility for somehting, it automatically means you don't?
So, if there's a school crossing guard who doesn't stop you, you think you have zero responsibility if you run over a kid crossing the street?
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
What in the actual frak...
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Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
"Don't do nothin' stupid. Don't hit anything."
Ash Williams
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Is this real life?
According to your profile, you are an assistant chief flight instructor with over 5,000 hours. I know you have at least seen a FAR/AIM before. Where are the hidden cameras?
Just curious: When you are on an IFR flight plan, are you not looking outside for traffic, birds, etc? Because right now, I'm picturing you doing approaches on an IFR flight plan, single pilot, under the hood all the way to DA.
According to your profile, you are an assistant chief flight instructor with over 5,000 hours. I know you have at least seen a FAR/AIM before. Where are the hidden cameras?
Just curious: When you are on an IFR flight plan, are you not looking outside for traffic, birds, etc? Because right now, I'm picturing you doing approaches on an IFR flight plan, single pilot, under the hood all the way to DA.
z987k
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Why not try to land with the hood on to?
Ash Williams
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Ahhh, the 172 Cat 3 approach under the hood?
I read on the internet that it is totally fine as long as you have an IVSI flying into class Bravo.... And they can't put anything that isn't true on the internet. I know because I read that on the internet.
Don't worry, I fixed it.
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Caelum Deus
Sky God
Im not going to play whos is bigger with you. The post was just a question to see if it was possible (a hole in the system), not that anyone would be stupid enough to do it. As mentioned before, when in Class B ATC is responsible for VFR to VFR separation, so then are you required to look for traffic. Thats all. According to everyone's responses, the consensus is that regardless of ATCs duties, the pilot is ultimately responsible. A simple question, which got a simple answer.
Imagine if a student asked you if they could do solo hood work in class B. What would you say? Would badger them and put them down or would you show them proof of why they cant?
Thanks to everyone who showed proof, and to those who havent, I really hope you dont and will never have a CFI cert
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Caelum Deus
Sky God
If Im in IMC and its ATC job to make sure I dont crash into someone, then yes I believe they are solely responsible
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
What that roughly means is, "if you see it, you will endeavour to avoid it."
Ignoring the requirement to see and avoid other aircraft, which exists in all classes of airspace, the conduct you describe is surely careless or reckless...
exneophyte
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It kind of reminds me if I'm driving and my wife and I pull up to a 4-way stop. I arrive and stop at the stop sign and notice a vehicle quickly approaching the stop sign on our right at a high rate of speed. Do I make my stop and immediately proceed forward because the other driver has to stop at their stop sign? Or do I use a little extra caution and pause for an extra second at the stop sign to verify that the oncoming driver sees that stop sign and is going to stop their vehicle?
Sure, they are solely responsible for stopping their vehicle at that stop sign, but is that going to make me feel better when the vehicle blows through the stop sign, T-bones us, kills my wife, and totals my car?
Sure, they are solely responsible for stopping their vehicle at that stop sign, but is that going to make me feel better when the vehicle blows through the stop sign, T-bones us, kills my wife, and totals my car?
Caelum Deus
Sky God
I would agree, but I hope everyone can see the point Im trying to make. In Class B ATC is responsible for traffic separation, but ultimately the pilot is, so why mention anything about ATC being responsible?
MidlifeFlyer
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Because they are. And it's important (to me anyway) for a pilot to understand the degree of assistance once can expect.
But you're tying to make the fact that they are responsible a removal of your responsibility. "Responsible" doesn't mean "solely responsible." Just like the PIC's "ultimate responsobility" for a flight doesn't mean the PIC is the only crewmember responsible. That's the point you seem to be missing.
If you are in the clouds and cannot see, yes. But even in IMC, if you can see, it's your obligation to see and avoid. Perhaps you see a VFR-only limitation in 91.113(b) but it's not there.
MidlifeFlyer
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Well, 91.13 is always around and can make even perfectly legal conduct a violation.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I've had a CFI certificate for 10 years; your question and immature demands for "proof" make me question whether or not you should be flying with students.
Even if it was remotely legal, common sense prevails on this one.
exneophyte
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Depending on how curious you actually are you could request a legal interpretation from the FAA though I'd do it anonymously to protect your ticket. Doubt you'd get a response though.
Caelum Deus
Sky God
Once again Im not sure exactly where you get your "facts" from but its not the best course of action to just make things up. I dont know how you've been teaching, but as a CFI you should know that showing "proof" is stated multiple times in the FOI. Providing adequate instruction, Be consistent, and Correct errors with an explanation of what went wrong. Maybe you should do a bit of review yourself. But I cant really argue considering it looks like youve been doing just fine without the FOI for the last 10 years.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
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