Future Colgan Payrates
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SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
I have heard quite the opposite. The rates are quite good from what I've been told.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
I'll be honest I don't think most companies fire senior people *just because*. Here we have a lot of senior folks who never have issues, although I bet having a strong union on property helps it stay that way. Overall I feel for management because I think deep down they would like to build schedules for conductive to commuting, rest, fatigue, etc. but there are tremendous cost pressures in the airline environment.
My father worked for a Government contractor in a minority owned business. He was making good money. He was let go almost 10 years ago because he was making too much and they could hire people for half his wage and they'd be thrilled.
Kinda like the airlines. At UPS new hires make what, $25/hr (really $12.50/hr when you break it down). Yet the senior FO's are making $100/hr+. It's the knowledge that they could (and probably will) make it to the high pay scales that people keep applying. And it's the knowledge of those pay scales that keep regional pilots holding out for that golden carrot.
v1valarob
Well-Known Member
Being on our scheduling committee, we get the raw data of all the flights, and as much as we bitch about long sits and all, there really isnt much the airline can do. They are handed the schedules from the mainline, and they have to do the best they can.
3enginejock
Well-Known Member
You can fly right seat 135 with 200 hours... Same as you can fly right seat in 121 with 200 hours. In order to fly as PIC for 135 you need 1200, you actually need more for 121 to be PIC (1500).
Capt FO
Year Rate Year Rate
1 $ 59.60 1 $ 28.50
2 $ 63.85 2 $ 32.81
3 $ 66.33 3 $ 34.17
4 $ 67.94 4 $ 35.51
5 $ 69.30 5 $ 36.86
6 $ 71.07 6 $ 37.50
7 $ 72.82 7 $ 38.15
8 $ 74.34 8 $ 3848
9 $ 75.71 9 $ 38.79
10 $ 77.13 10 $ 40.07
11 $ 80.54
12 $ 83.09
13 $ 85.77
14 $ 87.11
15 $ 88.84
16 $ 89.32
17 $ 8997
18 $ 9146
19 $ 92.98
20 $ 94.13
21 $ 9446
22 $ 94.74
23 $ 95.07
24 $ 95.38
25 $ 96.02
Year Rate Year Rate
1 $ 59.60 1 $ 28.50
2 $ 63.85 2 $ 32.81
3 $ 66.33 3 $ 34.17
4 $ 67.94 4 $ 35.51
5 $ 69.30 5 $ 36.86
6 $ 71.07 6 $ 37.50
7 $ 72.82 7 $ 38.15
8 $ 74.34 8 $ 3848
9 $ 75.71 9 $ 38.79
10 $ 77.13 10 $ 40.07
11 $ 80.54
12 $ 83.09
13 $ 85.77
14 $ 87.11
15 $ 88.84
16 $ 89.32
17 $ 8997
18 $ 9146
19 $ 92.98
20 $ 94.13
21 $ 9446
22 $ 94.74
23 $ 95.07
24 $ 95.38
25 $ 96.02
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
A few things.
You were complaining, you're really good at it.
The union saved nothing for me, I'm furloughed, from the same company you work for actually. Thanks for playing, though.
I doubt you could negotiate anything if your verbal skills are in line with your writing skills.
Every other industry is not as heavily regulated or safety oriented as the airline industry.
Toonces
Well-Known Member
I think you misunderstood that post.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Are you incapable of having a debate/argument without making personal attacks?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I'll toss out a third option to the other two listed: Pinnacle finally gets a contract, and Colgan is allowed to just implement same said contract. It's been discussed before, but I don't personally know how the two sides feel about it. It would be one step closer to getting a unified seniority list, and odds are good that if the company agreed to a seat pay rate rather than an airframe rate, the Q guys would be making the same as our -900 guys.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Pretty much only a couple of things left open, but the BIIIG one is scope. Company doesn't seem to want to budge at all on that. Personally, I don't care if you give me $100 hr, if the scope clause means you can farm flying to other people, that $100/hr doesn't do squat when I'm out of a job....
Makin' me proud, son.
You can have the best rates in the industry but unless you've got scope language, you've just wasted your time for bragging rights on the pilot pay grid.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
How much longer can this BS go on for? At some point they have to deal with the NMB don't they?
(I'm still a newb so forgive if the question has an easy obvious answer)
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
The average time for section 6 negotiations is 3 to 3.5 years.
The rules: http://www.nmb.gov/documents/rla.html
The game: http://www.nmb.gov/mediation/faq-mediation.html
Contract disputes: http://www.nmb.gov/arbitration/afaq.html
The game in a picture: http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/collbarg2.pdf
Cruise
Well-Known Member
Please! Let that happen.....I support it 100% and I try to educate those around me on the merits of such an action. I want all of what you get and a 'lil tweaking to bump the industry house. Voîla, contract for CJC!
Well, when the "brain factory" moves to MEM this summer, it's going to be that much easier to demonstrate our 'single carrier status.' Also, I know unofficial talks are going on how to fairly integrate our seniority lists. Better to have the plan in place when the time comes....instead of the unprepared scramble.
