Furlough Estimates

-250 CAs / FOs Airbus, +250 CAs/FOs Bowing. Effective Nov 1st. Over 8 yrs on the Bus but now no more. I will sorely miss Fifi. :eek2:

No furloughs yet. It figures since everyone is sitting around for the summer may as well have people be forced off the Bus. When it comes time to downgrade/furlough, there will be a smaller pool of Bus pilots to worry about cross Fleet training.

Last week’s webcast: “We’re burning too much cash! We have to reduce that number!”

Last night’s email: “We need to spend millions to train pilots on another airplane!”

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Last week’s webcast: “We’re burning too much cash! We have to reduce that number!”

Last night’s email: “We need to spend millions to train pilots on another airplane!”

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Maybe they are biting the bullet up front and retraining everyone for single fleet now? It will make it must less costly to furlough... May as well have the government pay everyone while they retrain for what they were planning on doing anyhow?
 
Maybe they are biting the bullet up front and retraining everyone for single fleet now? It will make it must less costly to furlough... May as well have the government pay everyone while they retrain for what they were planning on doing anyhow?

Bingo. This one is a freebie for Alaska. Even before this they had announced a closure of LAX Airbus over two years. Spread out 2 years to displace a total of 350 pilots. Now? With travel almost shut down; flight schedules cut 80% capacity, we’re all gonna be sitting around a couple months. That’s why they’re doing 240 displacements.

LAX Bus will be gone but I don’t see how SFO survives as a pilot base. That would be tragic if so because every single Virgin base would be closed. And the airline just looks like what it was pre-merger (base-wise)
 
Bingo. This one is a freebie for Alaska. Even before this they had announced a closure of LAX Airbus over two years. Spread out 2 years to displace a total of 350 pilots. Now? With travel almost shut down; flight schedules cut 80% capacity, we’re all gonna be sitting around a couple months. That’s why they’re doing 240 displacements.

LAX Bus will be gone but I don’t see how SFO survives as a pilot base. That would be tragic if so because every single Virgin base would be closed. And the airline just looks like what it was pre-merger (base-wise)
Sounds like what happened to Western back in the day.
 
The airlines are for the most part, are hosed. They are losing millions every day. How long can they keep bleeding like that? Not long, regardless of the government bail out loans. I think the carriers are going to lose billions. I don't see how all of them can survive. This is far worse than 9/11. Back then, they got government bailouts and still filed bankruptcy. Then came the mergers, the concessions and some complete failures. This is obviously, going to last much longer. If this plays out for months, there are going to be massive furloughs and lay offs at every level in the aviation industry. Those "protections" in the government loans end after September. The international flying is all but done and domestic has hit the skids. Several Regionals could easily be toast. Freight should be okay.

I don't think that we will ever return to what we knew as "normal", in truth. A second wave of this virus could hit again this fall/winter according to some epidemiologists. We haven't experienced a virus like this since the H1N1 that struck in two seasons. Remember too, just how much the "fear factor" plays into all of this as well.

Two months into this current outbreak, massive layoffs have started, American industries have demanded bailouts, and unemployment rates have surged. Economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louisare are projecting total employment reductions of 47 million which means an unemployment rate of 32.1%!! What the hell will people do then?

Can you imagine no more cruises, concerts, sport games, conventions, Olympics, libraries, swap meets, fairs, air shows, going to beaches and parks, auto races, movie theaters, large outdoor entertainment theme parks and dozens of other large public venues/places no longer existing? How many millions of jobs will be lost? What will the airlines, hotels, restaurants and retail stores do? Hell, many states like California have closed their schools through the end of the year. What are the teachers and support staff going to do?

Countless businesses will be gone forever as well as countless jobs. This is just the beginning of the economic disaster which is now just building and far from it's peak. There is no telling just how horrendous the economic future of this country and the world will be. I think the entire world economy is gong to be in a huge amount of crap for a long time. Tip of the iceberg thus far. I hope everyday that I am wrong.
First off, states like California have closed their schools for the rest of the ACADEMIC year, and that’s May so yes that’s correct. Also, do you really think every social event like the Olympics, concerts and sports really won’t exist anymore? Get real dude. Yeah things are really screwed up and we don’t know what to tomorrow brings but don’t rush to move into your bunker just yet. Society seems to have a way of being really resilient and bouncing back when the crises has ended.
 
PSA / US Air

Kind of. USAir actually operated a pretty strong west coast presence for about 5 years after the merger. They weren't able to make money the same as PSA was on those short haul west cost routes (very different than the business traveler heavy east coast short haul routes USAir was familiar with) and they started cutting back. They didn't purchase PSA with the intent of gutting them and walking away.

The Eskimo killed off the Virgin so JetBlue couldn't have her. Very different
 
Kind of. USAir actually operated a pretty strong west coast presence for about 5 years after the merger. They weren't able to make money the same as PSA was on those short haul west cost routes (very different than the business traveler heavy east coast short haul routes USAir was familiar with) and they started cutting back. They didn't purchase PSA with the intent of gutting them and walking away.

The Eskimo killed off the Virgin so JetBlue couldn't have her. Very different

Jetblue IMO opinion needs a strong(er) west coast presence. If AS leaves SF, JB should jump on that gate space. If not there, then somewhere.
 
Kind of. USAir actually operated a pretty strong west coast presence for about 5 years after the merger. They weren't able to make money the same as PSA was on those short haul west cost routes (very different than the business traveler heavy east coast short haul routes USAir was familiar with) and they started cutting back. They didn't purchase PSA with the intent of gutting them and walking away.

The Eskimo killed off the Virgin so JetBlue couldn't have her. Very different

Did they keep the PSA name? I thought it became all US Air after the merger? Alaska killed off the brand but kept the planes and most of the routes Virgin did. Until now, due to Covid.
 
Not sure if you noticed, but nobody is flying airplanes right now.

I debated ending that post with. "But, what do I know. I'm just a soon to be commercial rated pilot sitting in the driveway."

:D

My whole point was that in talks with people over the years they LOVE Jetblue, especially going to the Caribbean. They just are annoyed that if they're in say San Diego and want to go to Seattle that they have to go through JFK. So having more direct flights on the west coast would be a Boone. Yeah, I know we've talked about this in person, yada, yada, yada business models and all. I get it.
 
I debated ending that post with. "But, what do I know. I'm just a soon to be commercial rated pilot sitting in the driveway."

:D

My whole point was that in talks with people over the years they LOVE Jetblue, especially going to the Caribbean. They just are annoyed that if they're in say San Diego and want to go to Seattle that they have to go through JFK. So having more direct flights on the west coast would be a Boone. Yeah, I know we've talked about this in person, yada, yada, yada business models and all. I get it.

Have you figured out yet, that the airlines will be lucky to exist, and we'll all be lucky to have jobs in 12 months?

I'd love to be positive about this, but there ain't much positive happening in this industry right now. The idea of moving in on another airline's turf isn't even on the radar of any airline right now, keeping the lights on is.
 
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