Furlough Estimates

Folks should do what they think is best for them in this environment and don't take this as definite, BUT, I would bet a large sum of money the Payroll Protection Program gets extended to March.
 
mastermags said:
Done. I can’t deal with this anymore. Banished to the land of orange boxes along with CC for lack of use.
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Quoted because you’ll look anyway...

Back on topic: I’m pretty sure SWA has a time frame where pilots can rescind their voluntary leave bid.


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Is anyone keeping track of the current WARN notice numbers for each individual airline? I've been trying to compare pilot WARN notice numbers to total pilots at each carrier. For example, my buddy at Frontier stated that 504 pilots received a WARN letter from the company. When comparing that to the total pilots listed at Frontier Airlines | Airline Pilot Careers, that's 31% of the pilot group. It seems like 20-30% is a common theme.
 
skypilot6 said:
Those are great numbers for sure, but I can't help to think that another 25-50 EIL's (or some small number) would have brought that number to zero. I wanted an EIL but being a junior CA I couldn't get one. And now I'm facing a base change or a downgrade, as i'm 63 from the bottom of our CA list. Funny thing is that the base that will keep me looking out the left window is FLL (most likely), and had I been based there for the EIL bid I would have gotten the 8mo EIL.
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I hear exactly what you’re saying man, I’m also a junior CA who’s 150 ish from the bottom and that’s why despite living in the desert I kept FLL as a base. The commute blows but the seniority goes a long way. I took the 8 month EIL and plan on having lots of fun over the next 9 months and change.
 
Nikle994 said:
Is anyone keeping track of the current WARN notice numbers for each individual airline? I've been trying to compare pilot WARN notice numbers to total pilots at each carrier. For example, my buddy at Frontier stated that 504 pilots received a WARN letter from the company. When comparing that to the total pilots listed at Frontier Airlines | Airline Pilot Careers, that's 31% of the pilot group. It seems like 20-30% is a common theme.
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2500 at AA.
 
Virgin Eskimo:
137 early retirements
~1000 paid/unpaid leaves
37 downgrades
0 warn notices
~3070 total pilots
Also, 400 FA furloughs (~6000 total FAs)
 
Eagle421flyer said:
I'm not sure why we couldn't have offered the eil's by the master seniority list, since they are going to furlough that way why not have offered the eil's that way? It would have eliminated the situation you and many others were/are in where people junior to you got the eil of your choice and you didn't.
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I'm guessing because you have forced move language in your contract? If they issued the leaves by seniority, they would have then had displace some of the remaining pilots out of various bases to match whatever staffing plan they had in mind to begin with. That would have triggred the paid move language and cost a bunch of money. I'd guess in table talks the Negotiating Committee was able to get more value out of the program as a whole (towards avoiding furloughs) doing it that way rather than doing it the other way.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Is it true that WARN notices only go to employees of certain cities/bases? Or is this a federal thing for all 50 states?
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Dammit... you and your reasonable posts are seriously cutting in to my memeing.

Under the RLA, WARN notices do not have to be sent to individual employees, and can instead be sent to the union leadership (if there is a bargaining unit). It still must include each employee's name and position that could be effected. There is a paragraph in the Federal law that allows individual state laws to be more restrictive. That is why employees based in some states get individual WARN letters. For example, our pilots didn't get individual letters because we only have one domicile in a state that doesn't require it, but our FAs have two domiciles, and the ones based in California got individual letters.
 
BobDDuck said:
Dammit... you and your reasonable posts are seriously cutting in to my memeing.

Under the RLA, WARN notices do not have to be sent to individual employees, and can instead be sent to the union leadership (if there is a bargaining unit). It still must include each employee's name and position that could be effected. There is a paragraph in the Federal law that allows individual state laws to be more restrictive. That is why employees based in some states get individual WARN letters. For example, our pilots didn't get individual letters because we only have one domicile in a state that doesn't require it, but our FAs have two domiciles, and the ones based in California got individual letters.
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Wait... I thought you worked for the company that said no furloughs until at least May 2021?


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Seggy said:
Ok, I would most likely take your money.

If there is no airline service stopping to a handful of states a month before an election, that is a lot worse than no agreement.
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Has United publically said which destinations they intend to cut come October like AA did? Many here speculate it’s all political posturing...
 
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