Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU do?

Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

If you've already decided what to do, why are you winding us up about it? Call the FSDO and get laughed at. Let me concentrate on threads about chicks, man. CHICKS, MAN
 
JordanD said:
Screw that guy, and screw the dirtbag company that's paying him.
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They are not paying him. And we are yet to establish if it even would be a "job". We do know that aloft thinks it may not be kosher flying without a commercial ticket. Or it might be.

In the end, none of us are qualified to decide that. A lawyer can give us an opinion. The FAA legal counsel will give theirs if you ask them with details. Ultimately, an administrative law judge would be the final word on the matter.

But the real question, was he running it over square? Enquiring minds want to know ;)
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

There's another reason why you should not report him to the FAA, unless this has already been mentioned. If you report him to the FAA, don't forget, there's a chance the FAA investigates you as well. Now, for me personally, I know that everytime I've signed the page at the bottom of my logbook, I have been honest with all of my entries, but let's all be honest, who the hell wants the FAA flipping through those pages, and be anal retentive about anything in there?
 
Boris Badenov said:
If you've already decided what to do, why are you winding us up about it? Call the FSDO and get laughed at. Let me concentrate on threads about chicks, man. CHICKS, MAN
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Took us both about the same number of posts to lose interest... Actually, the iPhone battery is dead - beagle out
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

Boris Badenov said:
Family Guy needs you as a writer. In the meantime: "It's like a diminished 7th but with more anger. And it's a thing."
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That wont work unless he is a Manatee...We all know about how family guy gets it's ideas.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

SurferLucas said:
It's ok, just don't run lean of peak...you don't want to shock cool the engine.

Is your boss going to be flying to any of the college football games this season?
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If he does it will be on FSX! Things have taken a pretty serious downturn here - More later, I'll send you a PM when I get a chance.

Bp244
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

Aloft, if it isn't really a "friend" but an acquantance...and if he isn't hauling pax and stuff as beagle said...and if he isn't putting innocent nuns in jeapordy...why do you care? Why would you care enough to start a thread? Is this another case of someone much younger than you that has networked his way into being able to fly somehow and it makes you bitter? Is it that you want this guy to have to stop so that you can do the flying? Trust me, I'm all about cutting someone's throat to get what I want, and if you can go to the company and sell them that this is "gray" or "quasi-legal" and they hire you to do this then all is well and good for you. Barring any personal gain on your part - a job, etc - it just sounds like you're kind of being a pain-in-the-ass do-gooder. Without knowledge of what this guy is specifically doing (and no, you didn't post "all you needed to" because people like Beagle still have questions) then it kind of sounds like you are just pissy.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

Can someone tell me what the difference is between a pilot that fly's for a company that is on strike (Spirit) and a private pilot that is flying commercial work?

Both situations should not happen, right?
 
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flyingmaniac said:
Can someone tell me what the difference is between a pilot that fly's for a company that is on strike (Spirit) and a private pilot that is flying commercial work?

Both situations should not happen, right?
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The former would be bad form, the latter would be against the law.

But still, without knowing what said person is doing regarding this thread, there's no way to make an accurate answer to the question at hand. It's not much more than pissing in the wind.
 
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MikeD said:
It's not much more than pissing in the wind.
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Really there should be a song written and performed to the music of "Candle in the Wind" - but a JC specific version called "Pissing in the Wind".
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

LOL @
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I wouldn't tell on him if he was buzzing the Whitehouse, naked, flying a lawn mower, while sipping "sizzurp".
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

MikeD said:
The former would be bad form, the latter would be against the law.

But still, without knowing what said person is doing regarding this thread, there's no way to make an accurate answer to the question at hand. It's not much more than pissing in the wind.
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Just make sure you aim downwind.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

I wouldn't waste your time going to the FSDO. 99% of them have their head so far up their ass that they're peering out at the world through their belly button. They would be just as likely to wonder what your motive is and dig into you as they would be to do anything about stopping your friend.

My advice would be to just dissociate yourself with him. If what he is doing is truly reckless/illegal, people like that have a tendency to cause a surprising amount of collateral damage.

You talked to him. It will certainly suck when he kills himself and his passengers because he got in over his head somehow, but you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
 
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WacoFan said:
Aloft, if it isn't really a "friend" but an acquantance...and if he isn't hauling pax and stuff as beagle said...and if he isn't putting innocent nuns in jeapordy...why do you care? Why would you care enough to start a thread? Is this another case of someone much younger than you that has networked his way into being able to fly somehow and it makes you bitter? Is it that you want this guy to have to stop so that you can do the flying?
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As usual, you've made some faulty assumptions here. And just like my mother does, in the absence of information, you've assumed the worst. The kid isn't a close friend, but he is a friend, which is sufficient for me to want to help him avoid pitfalls like this that could cause serious damage to his career aspirations.

WacoFan said:
Without knowledge of what this guy is specifically doing (and no, you didn't post "all you needed to" because people like Beagle still have questions) then it kind of sounds like you are just pissy.
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Whether I've satisfied everyone's curiosity is not my concern. I've posted all the details I'm GOING to. I didn't ask for you or Beagle to doublecheck my math and reassess whether what the kid is doing is a 61.113 violation or not; I've asked you to assume that it is, and how you think I should handle it. Sorry your feelings are getting all hurt cuz you're not privvy to the entire picture.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

I would for sure confront your friend about this, especially if he is doing anything that would put anybody else in danger. I would give him a few weeks to stop. If he completely ignores what you said and continues to put people in danger then I would probably go to the FSDO about his employer. I know it would be a tough decision to make, but I think that I would have to sever a friendship in order to protect lives. Would you rather be somebody's friend and he kill himself and other people? Or confront him about it.

I would for sure not go behind his back and try to be all sneaky about reporting him. I would for sure give him a heads up he needs to quit doing it. If he just ignores you then you should probably go to the FSDO and report his employer. If the guy is only hauling cargo or anything, and he continues to do it I might just leave it alone and let him mess it up for himself. He is going to get caught eventually. If he is hauling passengers on the other hand, that makes the situation a lot more serious.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

I don't think many here would report it, and what it comes down to(and why inquiring minds want to know) is what exactly what he is doing as to if we even care.
Is he flying pax? Then it's a bigger issue then anything else.
Boxes, traffic watch, pipeline, well yeah that's all not ok, but he's the only one in danger, so we care less.

I knew of a traffic watch operation that paid some ppl's like $8/hr a few hours a day. Didn't really care though.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

What I have decided to do for now is rally a few more people he knows and respects and see if a few more voices of reason can reason with him. I'm really not interested in getting the FAA involved.
 
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