Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU do?

Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

K I only got through the first page of responses and will read the rest later, but honestly, what is the difference between a PPL performing commercial operations and a pilot with no medical continuing to fly?

Can you see where I'm coming from?

In the first, the PPL is performing operations they are not certified to do.

In the second example, a pilot who has a suspended certificate or no medical, but continues to fly, is also not legal in the eyes of the FAA.

Who is to say either is unsafe? Well....the FAA, our governing body, that's who.


Personally I would bring the company to the FSDO's attention. Let the chips fall where they may. Your friend chose to get involved. Let him face whatever repercussions the FAA chooses.
 
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Douglas said:
Don't rat.

Something will stop the operation sooner rather than later, without your involvement.
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And if everyone turns a blind eye, how will the operation of emloying PPL to do Commercial work stop?

aloft said:
He's not getting paid. This is what makes it "legal" in his mind.
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You should show him the FAA decisions on flight time as compensation, ergo commercial.
 
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I_Money said:
It's funny so many of you guys want to protect him - but he is doing your profession/hobby no favors at all. In most work environments you sink the competition, not let them be unsafe and break the rules.
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Actually, you don't. I've been in many "other" professions where we don't "sink the competition." (Technically, the PPL doing commercial isn't competition).

For example, I wouldn't tell him how much he sucked; I'd defer the uproad and said how much better I am.

A friend. . .wouldn't "rat" on a friend. Now, threat to life or limb? Friend or no, I'd do whatever it took to make that person stop.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. . .will have to admit I've done what could significantly be perceived as commercial certificate flying when all I have is my private cert. I'll also admit I was "compensated" as well.

She was oh so more than worth it!
 
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The OP should set up something where we could vote.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

moxiepilot said:
And if everyone turns a blind eye, how will the operation of emloying PPL to do Commercial work stop?

You should show him the FAA decisions on flight time as compensation, ergo commercial.
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How it has worked forever - Honor and that pilot being ostracized from the local pilot community.

I'm not an enforcer of the FAA and definitely not the FAA's scout in the field. There are many ways for him to get caught by the FAA themselves.
 
moxiepilot said:
You should show him the FAA decisions on flight time as compensation, ergo commercial.
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How many cases of this can you point to the FAA throwing the book at someone? I doubt it is that common.

But really, if the kid is just looking for free hours, he may as well just pencil whip them and be done with it.
 
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aloft said:
As usual, you've made some faulty assumptions here. And just like my mother does, in the absence of information, you've assumed the worst. The kid isn't a close friend, but he is a friend, which is sufficient for me to want to help him avoid pitfalls like this that could cause serious damage to his career aspirations.


Whether I've satisfied everyone's curiosity is not my concern. I've posted all the details I'm GOING to. I didn't ask for you or Beagle to doublecheck my math and reassess whether what the kid is doing is a 61.113 violation or not; I've asked you to assume that it is, and how you think I should handle it. Sorry your feelings are getting all hurt cuz you're not privvy to the entire picture.
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Feelings are real hurt Aloft...don't know how I'll sleep tonight.
 
WacoFan said:
Feelings are real hurt Aloft...don't know how I'll sleep tonight.
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Pretty easy to make faulty assumptions when presented with no facts.

Aloft, asking our opinion and then saying we don't know what's going on isn't much better than trolling.

I can only see two reasons why you posted this. 1) you already decided you were going to do everything in your power to throw the kid under the bus and wanted some encouragement from here, or 2) you just wanted to troll and hype people up over something that is purely academic to all of us.

I still think the kid would be better off pencil whipping some out-of-town arrow time (ideally one that recently killed it's owner destroying all the logs with it), but at this point, I don't think the kid even exists.
 
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Never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut.
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Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

I don't think the biggest issue is that he is flying commercially with a PPL; its that his choices reflect a lack of maturity and understanding that all actions will eventually lead to potentially positive or negative consequences.

In the short run, he'll save a lot of money; but, what I would be concerned about, is what damaging choices he will make in the future. I've known several people like this. It starts with one thing that they justify about how it isn't that bad which leads to another thing they justify and get defensive when you bring it up, and it goes on cyclically. And of course, they are always the last person to get it.

You need to find a way to empower him on his own to realize why certain things are the way they are. Otherwise, just telling him that what he's doing is wrong is not going to work. Unless he is willing to risk his future career, money invested in training, safety, etc, over a perceived savings that is in actuality quite minuscule over the course of his life, there is no reason to do this.









... I wonder what their maintenance is like :<
 
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When it comes to my friends, I want you to know I'm a steel trap. No matter what happens, I will never, ever, ever speak a word of it. I don't care if they kill somebody. Its Sin City baby.
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drunkenbeagle said:
Pretty easy to make faulty assumptions when presented with no facts.

Aloft, asking our opinion and then saying we don't know what's going on isn't much better than trolling.

I can only see two reasons why you posted this. 1) you already decided you were going to do everything in your power to throw the kid under the bus and wanted some encouragement from here, or 2) you just wanted to troll and hype people up over something that is purely academic to all of us.

I still think the kid would be better off pencil whipping some out-of-town arrow time (ideally one that recently killed it's owner destroying all the logs with it), but at this point, I don't think the kid even exists.
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Bingo. I don't get the whole cone-of-silence part of this thread. I would also submit that if you've made a decision, but you are unsure enough about it that you need to ask innerweb strangers so that you can feel better about it because of a consensus...well, maybe it isn't that sound of a decision, and when confronted with a choice you are unsure of then perhaps the best course of action is to do no harm to anyone until you ARE sure enough of your decision (without the need for cyber/innerweb people concurring). That's just me though, I don't struggle with many decisions.
 
Re: Friend with PPL doing commercial flying; what would YOU

Whether he made a decision before or not, I do like the fact it generated a significant amount of discussion and perspectives even I hadn't considered. I do like that point of fact about this thread.

I like to serious discussions both for and against; I never knew lay persons could be such comedians as well. Whether he throws this guy under the bus or not (given the hypothetical situation presented), all have agreed the guy is doing wrong. No one argued contrary to that. No one said he was obligated to report the "perceived" infraction (really don't have all the facts).

Heck, to be honest, even if he weren't a friend, given the hypothetical, I'm not inclined to "report" him to anyone. Safety concerns? I'm inclined to take a proactive approach to resolving. Legality issues? As subjective as it is, it's all situational what my action would be.
 
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