z987k
Well-Known Member
Agreed. The only airline that I've seen fly VFR is Alaska, and that's on a specific trained route.Agreed. Can't say I've ever seen any airline service that goes VFR up the canyon from Sun Valley to Chalis.
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Tommay85
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Honestly, I think it could be advantageous if egos don't get in the way. El capitan will have someone reliable next to him that will not buckle. Maybe even take a little comfort in thinking that if he gets overloaded or confused, the FO could pick up the slack.
I also think there might be something to be said about being by yourself. You either deal with it or you're dead/violated. The guy that figures it out and comes out unscathed is no question, competent. Even then, to me, it's not the operation or even being single pilot. It's the PIC time and the outside duties and responsibilities that go with it. I'm stubbornly against the notion that a low time CFI that becomes a high time regional FO is as qualified to go sit right seat at a major/corporate/charter gig as a freight guy. Regional captains are equal to us, and we're equal to them IMO. FOs with a bit of dual given in a Cessna years ago, not so much.
That being said, I've just seen my regional captain buddies(all ONE of them
) grow just as much as I have. I've pretty much thrown the "freight dawgs are the best" out the window. Unless I'm talking to z987k or Jfk-Pilot on the phone. Then we're freaking astronauts! Whatever right?
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Agreed. Can't say I've ever seen any airline service that goes VFR up the canyon from Sun Valley to Chalis.
Good point. However, I don't think that would be such a hot idea in turbine equipment for a 135 charter operation with pax in the back. But maybe that's what they're looking for...
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Honestly, I think it could be advantageous if egos don't get in the way. El capitan will have someone reliable next to him that will not buckle. Maybe even take a little comfort in thinking that if he gets overloaded or confused, the FO could pick up the slack.
I also think there might be something to be said about being by yourself. You either deal with it or you're dead/violated. The guy that figures it out and comes out unscathed is no question, competent. Even then, to me, it's not the operation or even being single pilot. It's the PIC time and the outside duties and responsibilities that go with it. I'm stubbornly against the notion that a low time CFI that becomes a high time regional FO is as qualified to go sit right seat at a major/corporate/charter gig as a freight guy. Regional captains are equal to us, and we're equal to them IMO. FOs with a bit of dual given in a Cessna years ago, not so much.
That being said, I've just seen my regional captain buddies(all ONE of them
There are a lot of us 121 guys that did other things besides flight instruct before going 121. I think there were only a couple of years here and there where people even had the chance to go straight from instructing to the regionals.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
Yar, I was speaking more about my peers.(class of 2006-2010) This is why generalities suck eh? I try not to generalize, but ya know.
That was an ad hoc normally it's challis to salmon. And it must be VFR in challis or we don't stop.Agreed. Can't say I've ever seen any airline service that goes VFR up the canyon from Sun Valley to Chalis.
Salmon air did that run with passengers years ago
z987k
Well-Known Member
But vfr in challis is 1 sm
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
All I know is someone needs to get a GoPro video of that run!
z987k
Well-Known Member
I'm quite sure there is video out there......All I know is someone needs to get a GoPro video of that run!
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
I'm thinking more along the lines of duct taped to the wing too! Fuggit!
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
All I know is someone needs to get a GoPro video of that run!
I imagine it might look something like this:
It's hard to make out in the picture, but I was at about 300ft following a canal back into our base.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
YOUR DAINJEROUS! *bite*I imagine it might look something like this:
It's hard to make out in the picture, but I was at about 300ft following a canal back into our base.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
haha, maybe so, but I was completely legal. 1sm and clear of clouds. The nice thing about having your own runway bolted onto the fuselage is that you can almost always make a safe landing.
Edit: Yeah, i got the reference.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Agreed. Can't say I've ever seen any airline service that goes VFR up the canyon from Sun Valley to Chalis.
Reminds me of the IYK to BIS run.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Do you guys have an exemption to 135.203 to let you operate below 500' in cruise? Or is that sort of a "it's a floatplane, the FSDO don't care" thing?haha, maybe so, but I was completely legal. 1sm and clear of clouds. The nice thing about having your own runway bolted onto the fuselage is that you can almost always make a safe landing.
Edit: Yeah, i got the reference.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Well, since this is the internet, it could be argued whether I was in cruise or not since I was about 2 miles from the base coming in to land, and also on pipeline patrol. Also I was in navy's class delta and they were reporting vfr. Also since im over a water way I can make a safe landing.
Long story short, the fsdo don't care, but I don't really go out looking for an excuse to challenge them.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Roger that.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
I think its also fair to note that we're allowed to use navy's circle mins (400ft I think,) on an ILS to our base. I was at about the same point when the pic was taken, so I was basically "on approach." Just trying to cover my bases
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Yeah gotcha-hope you didn't think I was trying to call you out or anything. It's just always interesting to hear how other ops do things.I think its also fair to note that we're allowed to use navy's circle mins (400ft I think,) on an ILS to our base. I was at about the same point when the pic was taken, so I was basically "on approach." Just trying to cover my bases
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Oh yeah, I knew that wasn't the case, but I'm glad you did because I have no idea who lurks here.
In any case it was a part 91 flight. I still find it funny that our POI lets us take the Navy circling mins into our base for 135 flights, especially since they put up some new high voltage lines at about 250'
