Free in-house Delta Pilot Job Fair

Crop Duster said:
Still missing the point. The point is PERSPECTIVE. I'm not talking about the effing insular airline industry. I'm talking about looking around. Perhaps I have the unfair benefit of having been a management consultant for many years, but the concept of the job fair is NOT NEW. It's been going on for decades in other industries. And if you've read your Ecclesiatses, even those decades don't qualify. I don't like the term innovative, because so often it is used for marketing purposes and not for its actual meaning, to wit: featuring new methods, advanced and original, displaying creative thinking. There is very, very little that is truly innovative, and that there is is typically additive. Having a job fair is so far from being innovative as to be laughable. The fact that people in the airline industry think a job fair is innovative speaks to their myopia, not to their vision and creativity.
Enough said. I'm really not trying to piss people off, but I am. Sorry.
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Got it... don't use the word 'innovative.'
 
surreal1221 said:
Right, and I am talking about the insular airline industry...because well...I know my audience...members of this very online community who are in the airline industry.

And because the subject of this very thread concerns the airline industry. I'm not so sure your past experience as a management consultant is quite the benefit you are proclaiming it to be. Instead, perhaps, that past experience is clouding your ability to see things from a different lens...one that is specific to the industry being discussed here, not ALL industries but yes - I agree, job fairs are not innovative. What is innovative is the departure from the previous process of exploitation of potential applicants by apparent non-profit organizations to one where an organization engages directly (re: without the third party) - oh, and again, this is in the current hiring environment and the airline industry. Put in other words - Delta Air Lines is an innovator of directly engaging with applicants in the current pilot hiring environment, next comes the early adopters...and so on and so forth utilizing the diffusion of innovations principle. Which, I imagine, you are familiar with as a management consultant.

Have a nice evening.
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Fair enough. As they say in education, 'you've gotta take the student from where they're at". So we'll take it as an incremental improvement. I see what you are saying, and given that context and perspective, it makes sense. But can you see my point that when one intentionally closes one's eyes, then opens them after a decade, one should not congratulate oneself for overcoming blindness?
 
Crop Duster said:
Fair enough. As they say in education, 'you've gotta take the student from where they're at". So we'll take it as an incremental improvement. I see what you are saying, and given that context and perspective, it makes sense. But can you see my point that when one intentionally closes one's eyes, then opens them after a decade, one should not congratulate oneself for overcoming blindness?
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Bro, don't you ever question anything delta. EVER.


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Well, here's the problem with the internet angst.

I work there. And I share a lot of stuff here first and some things that I may or may not really be able to… FOR YOUR BENEFIT. No one else on the internet is doing this because anyone in that position has 'gotten theirs' and pulled up the rope a long time ago.

Oftentimes, behind the scenes, I'm basically juggling a bunch of stuff but I always try to share things with you guys when I can.

Now, when I have to go on trial for every nugget and make sure it's a safe, comfortable, trigger-free environment, you're going to get some pushback from me because, honestly, how many times have we 'gone into the weeds'? Ultimately an inefficient usage of time.

Criticize all you'd like but at least be constructive.
 
Doug, the rabble isn't (and hasn't ever been) about you, or your position with the company you work for, or how many ways you attempt to help those of us who would not only like to work for your company, but also for other similar companies of similar stature.

As said before, you're a rockstar and your help is incredibly valuable and phenomenally appreciated. Please don't change that, at all.

That being said, the environment on some JetCareers threads where Delta can Do No Wrong and Everything It Does Is Divinely Inspired and Don't You Dare Say a Bad Word about Delta is a little tired. Again, this isn't from you, who doesn't even name where you work -- we are talking about other forum members participating and who largely want to work at Delta.

I realize that people can be and are enthusiastic about places to work (on both sides of the hiring table), but sometimes the butt-snorkeling and cheerleading is just ridiculous.
 
Derg said:
Skip the thread then, I'm not sure what else to suggest.
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That's just the thing, though -- I'm very interested in the discussion and the event; not so much in the flagrant fanboy-ism and the shouting down of anyone who isn't reading from the hymnal.
 
Hacker15e said:
That's just the thing, though -- I'm very interested in the discussion and the event; not so much in the flagrant fanboy-ism and the shouting down of anyone who isn't reading from the hymnal.
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But what if those that felt "shouted down" were, in fact, incorrect?

All opinions aren't equal where there are disparate perspectives. I can kind of see "behind the curtain" and have seen the machinery at work under the hood, but I have to walk through a minefield of liability so a lot of it is "Guys, you're getting in the weeds, trust me on this" because I really can't legally say. I'm not about to lose my job for an internet debate about something free and that, at the end of the day, I have no benefit from other than giving back to the community.
 
Derg said:
But what if those that felt "shouted down" were, in fact, incorrect?

All opinions aren't equal where there are disparate perspectives. I can kind of see "behind the curtain" and have seen the machinery at work under the hood, but I have to walk through a minefield of liability so a lot of it is "Guys, you're getting in the weeds, trust me on this" because I really can't legally say. I'm not about to lose my job for an internet debate about something free and that, at the end of the day, I have no benefit from other than giving back to the community.
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Oh, I think that your corrections to bad info are tremendously valuable and, again, highly appreciated. We all know that you walk a tight rope in terms of your position with your employer and what you are/are not allowed to say, and I think anything you're able to contribute to the discussion is substantial. I hope your employer sees what you are doing as positively as those of us on the other end of it do.

Once again, not a criticism of you or anything you've done to help us forum members out.

I'm more referring to the discussion between the rest of us rank-and-file wannabes.
 
Whiskey Delta said:
Did you feel triggered?


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I do.

I do.

:)

Speaking of that, whenever I hear the word "trigger" or "score" it raises my blood pressure just a little.

"Well, that's just a wee bit inaccurate and I think you're blending two unrelated issues" :)
 
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