Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Recently heard in Florida airspace:
"Shuttle Endeavor, approach clearance cancelled, turn right heading 090, we're gonna get Southwest in ahead of you..."
Feds are a little out of control.
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Recently heard in Florida airspace:
"Shuttle Endeavor, approach clearance cancelled, turn right heading 090, we're gonna get Southwest in ahead of you..."
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
It's a sign of the times. After the public bitch-slapping laid on the FAA by the media about all the MX fiascos at the large 121 carriers, it was coming down the pipe.
The controllers today, are the same ones we've had for years (of course not Mr Congressman....we're properly staffed, feel free to divert the budget where ever it'll best be used). Just like your bosses tell you to be the hat police. Sure some will file things, just like before, but most don't want to be bothered with the paperwork. Remember, they are only allowed 3 DEALS before they get the axe, if I remember correctly.
If I remember correctly, the new admin decided that punitive action was better than cooperative action. Of course, the enforcement cycle is like anything else. Then when a new administration hits 1600 Pennsylvania or a new Admin runs the show, things will change. It's an election year, so it's obvious laying down the law, especially on CNN will win votes. Because FAA+ punitive = fixin 40 years of airspace infrastructure neglect and will divert the public's attention from them robbing the aviation trust fund for other uses, instead of using it to actually ALLOW FAA oversight.
What can I recommend?
1) Review the 8900 regarding FAA enforcement/ramp checks
2) ASAP for you 121 Guys that have it (Union negotiate bennie...)
3) NASA/ASRS or what eva you wanna call it
4) AOPA membership $40/ATP legal $129 a year.
5) Call your local tower and/or center and take a tour, and meet the NATCA reps.
The controllers today, are the same ones we've had for years (of course not Mr Congressman....we're properly staffed, feel free to divert the budget where ever it'll best be used). Just like your bosses tell you to be the hat police. Sure some will file things, just like before, but most don't want to be bothered with the paperwork. Remember, they are only allowed 3 DEALS before they get the axe, if I remember correctly.
If I remember correctly, the new admin decided that punitive action was better than cooperative action. Of course, the enforcement cycle is like anything else. Then when a new administration hits 1600 Pennsylvania or a new Admin runs the show, things will change. It's an election year, so it's obvious laying down the law, especially on CNN will win votes. Because FAA+ punitive = fixin 40 years of airspace infrastructure neglect and will divert the public's attention from them robbing the aviation trust fund for other uses, instead of using it to actually ALLOW FAA oversight.
What can I recommend?
1) Review the 8900 regarding FAA enforcement/ramp checks
2) ASAP for you 121 Guys that have it (Union negotiate bennie...)
3) NASA/ASRS or what eva you wanna call it
4) AOPA membership $40/ATP legal $129 a year.
5) Call your local tower and/or center and take a tour, and meet the NATCA reps.
Killtron2000
Well-Known Member
Will this also apply to control towers operated by private contractors?
KLB
Well-Known Member
I had a conversation about this with one of the UPS pilots and another person who worked on the FAA's safety committee at this past OBAP convention. It goes so far that if you so much as read back something incorrectly (such as a heading change without even making the turn towards the wrong headng and the controller has to corrects you) it is to be filed as a controller save. You might have to answer up to some of these simple mistakes that we all make everyday flying professionally. Another thing that he talked about was stricter allowances for deviation all tracks for oceanic flights. I don't know what the FAA is trying to prove. The lady from the safety committee had no idea these types of rules were being made.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Riiiiight...Its a HUUUUUUUUGE conspiracy. Since we pilots lobby for controllers and all and vice versa.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Just to add to this list, for those of you in ALPA, if you get in a situation, don't talk to ANYONE until you call the number on the back of your membership card. Seriously. That's one of the reasons I really don't mind paying dues is the "career insurance" that number provides....
IrishSheepdog
Sitting in the median
It's funny... Talking with a friend about possibly going into Law Enforcement, one of the biggest things he didn't like was all the scrutiny you are constantly under from your boss and the general public. He figured that was reason enough to stay in aviation. Go figure!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You're playing right into their hands. The Admin wants to pit us against each other. Don't fall for it. The controllers aren't the bad guy. They're just fellow members of organized labor trying to do their job and having to deal with scumbag managers. The bad guy here is the Administration. Don't forget that. NATCA is good people.
You really are clueless. I've walked multiple picket lines with NATCA controllers. They happily show up to support us and vice versa. ALPA works very closely with NATCA.
ILSstud
Well-Known Member
Someone mentioned getting ramp checked on a corporate ramp by TSA agents and it reminded me of an article I read in USA today a few days ago that said "security for corporate aircraft is a concern" ...something about aircraft over 12,500 lbs will be treated as say airline traffic in terms of the type of security the TSA would like them to have. Something to look forward to? I hope not!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
He's right. Last walk around the parking lot in uniform holding signs at Pinnacle, there were a few controllers out there with us. If you do some research, you'll find ALPA was actually trying to help settle the PATCO issue before it had the results it did.
esw2005
Well-Known Member
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
No.
They think Fortune 500 is a new brand of fortune cookie.
They think Fortune 500 is a new brand of fortune cookie.
ILSstud
Well-Known Member
Side story....but in ATL they have started "color coding" security lines for expert, novice travelers...I presume to make security lines move faster. Anyways I had a TSA agent tell me that because "I was wearing jeans and a T shirt" I had to move to the novice line. Nevermind the fact that I travel 5-6 times a month. I just smiled and thought what a waste of tax payers dollars...
Yeah, the separate lines are an absolute joke.
The "Novice" lines were empty, the "Leisure" lines had a few people in them and the "Expert Traveler" lines were full of strollers and passengers adorning bangles like they were Mr. T.
BTW, what the hell's up with the TSA in CVG? One of these guys held their hand up like we were dogs doing agility trials, the other two pilots waited, but then I went to a free agent to check my ID. THEN he had someone walk up to me to tell me at the X-Ray and notify me that I was told to wait and that I was unable to go to a free agent.
Riiiiiiiiiight, Waldo. Sorry you were picked on in grade school but now ain't yo time!
The "Novice" lines were empty, the "Leisure" lines had a few people in them and the "Expert Traveler" lines were full of strollers and passengers adorning bangles like they were Mr. T.
BTW, what the hell's up with the TSA in CVG? One of these guys held their hand up like we were dogs doing agility trials, the other two pilots waited, but then I went to a free agent to check my ID. THEN he had someone walk up to me to tell me at the X-Ray and notify me that I was told to wait and that I was unable to go to a free agent.
Riiiiiiiiiight, Waldo. Sorry you were picked on in grade school but now ain't yo time!
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Yeah, the separate lines are an absolute joke.
The "Novice" lines were empty, the "Leisure" lines had a few people in them and the "Expert Traveler" lines were full of strollers and passengers adorning bangles like they were Mr. T.
BTW, what the hell's up with the TSA in CVG? One of these guys held their hand up like we were dogs doing agility trials, the other two pilots waited, but then I went to a free agent to check my ID. THEN he had someone walk up to me to tell me at the X-Ray and notify me that I was told to wait and that I was unable to go to a free agent.
Riiiiiiiiiight, Waldo. Sorry you were picked on in grade school but now ain't yo time!
One more reason to stay part 135.
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