Father-Son crew

ClarkGriswold said:
This might be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. How is it any different than when pilots date and buddy bid?

What's more dangerous? A family paired up or a guy who is pissed that someone is sitting in his seat due to a merger?


Just because someone has Daddy/relationship issues doesn't mean everyone else does and can't be professional.
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That convo was written as a joke. I don't know about pilots dating and/or buddy bidding, that would depend on the specific couple and how they are. Not sure who you are referring to is pissed off that someone is sitting in his seat due to a merger? And if you are going to use that example, I think it would be 'easier' to take over from someone you're "pissed at" than a loved one.

No one said they can't be professional. My only point was it adds an interesting twist to the CRM thing, that could be for better or for worse.
 
It does provide the chance for an entirely new adult relationship with a parent. Of course, if you have any real doubts that it will work based on either of your personalities, RED FLAG and forget it.

I hired my father to do a project in his profession after he retired. (Neither of us were in aviation). It created a new dynamic for both of us, and I've now seen the same thing happening with my grown nieces (the children I never had), and adult step-kids.

It starts with respect.
 
I truly wish I had the opportunity to fly an airliner with my dad. He was able to fly a 727 with his father. Alas, this industry works in strange ways and things don't always work out. But whether anyone thinks it's a good idea or not I sure would have liked to.
 
From my ALPA work, I saw that there were more CRM issues alone, from dealing with pilots at the regional I was at who thought they were to cool for school and God's gift to the world who tried to get in a Flight Attendant's pants than a father and son flying together.

For instance, @L-16B was dating a flight attendant and then flew with a Captain who also dated her before hand. That could be a CRM nightmare, but @L-16B kept it on the up and ups and with strict professionalism. However, others involved in similar love triangles, not so much.

So if folks want to get on a high horse (wrongly) about father and sons flying together, knock yourself out. Please do. Just know you are wrong to focus on this.

There are much more serious CRM issues out there than a father/son flying together.
 
I fly with my wife all the time and she will soon be flying the Lear with me. I won't treat her any different than any other FO when in the aircraft. As long as you maintain a professional demeanor, I don't see what the problem is.
 
DPApilot said:
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Hilarious show!
 
Seggy said:
From my ALPA work, I saw that there were more CRM issues alone, from dealing with pilots at the regional I was at who thought they were to cool for school and God's gift to the world who tried to get in a Flight Attendant's pants than a father and son flying together.

For instance, @L-16B was dating a flight attendant and then flew with a Captain who also dated her before hand. That could be a CRM nightmare, but @L-16B kept it on the up and ups and with strict professionalism. However, others involved in similar love triangles, not so much.

So if folks want to get on a high horse (wrongly) about father and sons flying together, knock yourself out. Please do. Just know you are wrong to focus on this.

There are much more serious CRM issues out there than a father/son flying together.
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One airline had a couple new hire FO's get int fisticuffs in the jetway over a lady friend.

And there's also the story of a guy that came to work with a black eye because he caught his wife with another pilot and it got physical.

Children. "ZOMG, it's the last girl on Earth!".

Riddle. Leave it when you graduate.
 
Derg said:
One airline had a couple new hire FO's get int fisticuffs in the jetway over a lady friend.

And there's also the story of a guy that came to work with a black eye because he caught his wife with another pilot and it got physical.

Children. "ZOMG, it's the last girl on Earth!".

Riddle. Leave it when you graduate.
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Bwahahahahaha. My kingdom to be a CRM facilitator.

Actually, no. I'm happy exactly where I am in this organization, and would not enjoy shovelling that kind of poop. Never mind.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Bwahahahahaha. My kingdom to be a CRM facilitator.

Actually, no. I'm happy exactly where I am in this organization, and would not enjoy shovelling that kind of poop. Never mind.
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But we're still working on getting you 300% more buttons.
 
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BobDDuck said:
We have a husband/wife crew here that has buddy bid together for years. The wife could have held captain years ago but hasn't bid up so she can fly with her husband.
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When they were still flying on the 717 I got the privilege of catching the jumpseat with them. Very cool people and enjoyed the conversation.
 
Seggy said:
For instance, @L-16B was dating a flight attendant and then flew with a Captain who also dated her before hand. That could be a CRM nightmare, but @L-16B kept it on the up and ups and with strict professionalism. However, others involved in similar love triangles, not so much.
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Any other juicy facts to share. Pics are always welcomed ! :)
 
Derg said:
One airline had a couple new hire FO's get int fisticuffs in the jetway over a lady friend.

And there's also the story of a guy that came to work with a black eye because he caught his wife with another pilot and it got physical.

Children. "ZOMG, it's the last girl on Earth!".

Riddle. Leave it when you graduate.
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Hehe, on the topic, I was just talking to @JordanD the other day about a similar incident that took place in the cockpit of a red-tailed DC-10 over the Atlantic many years ago. According to one of my primary CFI's who was in the left seat in the adventure, it became obvious that the F/E was crying. Then he broke down. Then he hit the F/O over the head with a binder. When the captain inquired as to the events unfolding in his cockpit, it became clear that the F/O had porked the F/E's girlfriend who was also working the flight(not knowing she was taken IIRC), and the F/E had found out at some point but unsuccessfully tried to bottle in his emotions. Considering this was a legacy DC-10 in the early 2000s, I can imagine these were grown ass men. Which makes it all the more hilarious.

This is why we use our words.
 
SFLAX said:
I flew with my dad once in a jet. He said nothing the whole time just check lists and small talk. After landing he looks at me and says you were off 5 knots on that approach. And landed long. Gets out of the seat and says I'll meet you inside. And I was the PIC. I guess 25 years of Marine aviation does not just go away in retirement.
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That's awesome! Dad was a check airman on the DC-9 for NWA and has a passion for instructing. The day after I got my CFI ticket he asks me if I really want to learn how to teach. He then proceeds to try to charge me for his time and tells me people pay him big money for his advice.:D
 
ChasenSFO said:
Hehe, on the topic, I was just talking to @JordanD the other day about a similar incident that took place in the cockpit of a red-tailed DC-10 over the Atlantic many years ago. According to one of my primary CFI's who was in the left seat in the adventure, it became obvious that the F/E was crying. Then he broke down. Then he hit the F/O over the head with a binder. When the captain inquired as to the events unfolding in his cockpit, it became clear that the F/O had porked the F/E's girlfriend who was also working the flight(not knowing she was taken IIRC), and the F/E had found out at some point but unsuccessfully tried to bottle in his emotions. Considering this was a legacy DC-10 in the early 2000s, I can imagine these were grown ass men. Which makes it all the more hilarious.

This is why we use our words.
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FAs.

And when are people going to learn, it's not wise to poop where you eat?
 
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