Father-Son crew
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Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
-shakes head-
Having dealt with Captain Dad for 28 years, and having flown with him extensively (obviously, outside of the airline environment...), I would say I'm uniquely qualified to handle him.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Do you call him "Captain Dad" at home, or on the phone too?
It could end up as a respect my authority thing, I'm your father, so I know better, etc. But if I'm going to catch so much flak, and personal BS over an opinion, I guess I'll keep it to myself.
And yeah, I consider it a low blow towards the relationship I have with my father.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Uhhh ya I would guess that any parent that acted like that was probably a micromanager to everyone and a CRM hazard no matter who they flew with.
I never asked about your relationship
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Typically, in an ironic fashion.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
You...don't respect the Captain's authority?
Like driving my 90yr old grandmother who doesn't drive by the way but seems to know what you are doing wrong.
Nick
Well-Known Member
This debate about CRM and flying with dad good idea/bad idea all makes me think of some altered Jerry Springer or Maury Povich scenario.
Like a father, the captain, and his new hire son get out of the cockpit after flying a 4-day trip and as they're walking up the jetbridge they say, "Well that was cool! Can't wait to tell mom how well it went and share the picture we took together! Great CRM, dad!!"
Then at the gate area, Jerry Springer walks up with an envelope, the passengers on the edge of their seats, the gate agents cringing, waiting for the truth. Jerry opens the envelope . . . "Captain, you are NOT the father . . . "
That'd be a whole 'nuther thread, for The Lav forum of course.
Like a father, the captain, and his new hire son get out of the cockpit after flying a 4-day trip and as they're walking up the jetbridge they say, "Well that was cool! Can't wait to tell mom how well it went and share the picture we took together! Great CRM, dad!!"
Then at the gate area, Jerry Springer walks up with an envelope, the passengers on the edge of their seats, the gate agents cringing, waiting for the truth. Jerry opens the envelope . . . "Captain, you are NOT the father . . . "
That'd be a whole 'nuther thread, for The Lav forum of course.
PositionAndHold
Well-Known Member
Was lucky enough to fly with my pops for about 200 hours in a Lear. He was by far the hardest on me of any captain I've flown with before or since. Autopilot, what's that? "You fly this thing to cruise". He taught me more than any body else. We had a relationship that when we got in the cockpit he was a captain, not my dad. When we were done, we had a few beers to discuss how horrible of an FO I was.
He made me the pilot/captain I am today. It'll probably be the hours I cherish the most one day. If you ever get the chance, do it. If you have a crap relationship, obviously don't do it.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
I think the point is that if you honestly feel that flying with your father would be a problem, then you shouldn't do so.
However, many others feel that they could get along just fine with their parent or spouse in the cockpit. Each individual's relationship is different.
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
I've flown a fair amount with the old man in his cub, when I was just starting his line was always "Your high, but that's ok because you're fast!"
*groan*
#pilotdadjokes
*groan*
#pilotdadjokes
learhawkerbe400
Well-Known Member
My dads long since been retired from my airline but I flew corporate with him for 3 years. Best flying of my career. No one demands perfection like him and I'm lucky I had the opportunity.
If you hate your wife or dad then, yea, don't fly with them. Otherwise, it can be done professionally and safely no question.
If you hate your wife or dad then, yea, don't fly with them. Otherwise, it can be done professionally and safely no question.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I'm in agreement here.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The worst would be a husband/wife setup for flying together. Some things you just don't, IMO.
At some point, "being married" is gonna come out........
"Uh, hun, I think you might wanna start down now. TOD is behind us."
"This is about me overcooking the roast last night isn't it?
"No, hun, I mean we're gonna be high."
"High? Like the time you said that leather sofa set cost was too high and we ended up buying one that was cheaper but not as comfortable?"
At some point, "being married" is gonna come out........
"Uh, hun, I think you might wanna start down now. TOD is behind us."
"This is about me overcooking the roast last night isn't it?
"No, hun, I mean we're gonna be high."
"High? Like the time you said that leather sofa set cost was too high and we ended up buying one that was cheaper but not as comfortable?"
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's not the small stuff. I'm thinking more like the Asian carrier accidents of the 80s, 90s, and somewhat '00s. I mean the big things that require immediate corrective action being complete takeover of controls and 'my airplane.' Eg, Korean Air 747 at Stansted, at Guam, those kinds of things. That was a cultural thing with respect for elders, not correcting them, etc.
I dunno. Say dad was Air Force, now at the airline for 25 years, maybe he's got this and will correct it in a second. Even though the time for action (takeover) was already there. That kinda thing.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
This might be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. How is it any different than when pilots date and buddy bid?
What's more dangerous? A family paired up or a guy who is pissed that someone is sitting in his seat due to a merger?
Just because someone has Daddy/relationship issues doesn't mean everyone else does and can't be professional.
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Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
I guess I'm jaded from all the kids who had dads who were chief pilots or senior airline pilots in college. Often times seemed like their road to the airlines was inevitable and a paved highway. Anyways, good for them I guess, I'm sure its a memorable experience for both.