Fate Poll....

minitour said:
Translation "Take 'em out boys! Let's flop 'em on the table. I'll supply the measuring tape."

:rolleyes:
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His exact words were:
"I think Blackhawk is showing the ultimate "pulling up the ladder on the way up" attitude that is so prevalent in the senior elements of this profession."

In other words, he accused me of being some selfish person who is only looking out for number one.
I am a firm believer in charity, I have just seen how inefficient the government is at "charity". There are articles all the time on how some charities spend much of their money on overhead... but all of them pale in comparison to how wasteful the government is at managing a budget. And yes, I managed a government budget so I've seen it first hand. "Success" in managing a government budget would get someone in the private industry fired.
Also, I don't think it is "charity" by any stretch when someone from the government tells me I need to give up my shirt so the government can make 1/2 a pair of underwear that will fall apart after being worn once. Okay, so the analogy has been used by others, but I think it's a pretty good description of how the government handles "charity".
So my response to the person who decided to accuse me of being selfish and thoughtless of others on a public forum was a challenge to put his money where his mouth is.
 
CDNPilotDave said:
It's called insurance because it IS insurance. It's Social Insurance. Do the research. The law of large numbers/adverse selection is the basis for the program. (Please don't misinterpret this. I am in no way arguing the fiscal soundness of "UE") Just like Social Security. It is what it is. If premiums (ie Unemployment Taxes on employers) are paid, then the insured is entitled to benefits.

Start a new thread about the irresponsibility of social program dependents sucking the system dry, or the morality of taking more than what one really needs, and I'm totally behind that. However, the original posting had to do with an unemployed pilot discussing their financial options.

Their premiums were paid.

They are entitled.
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The "insured" are entitled to the benefits if they meet the definition of "unemployed" rather than "I don't feel like taking the jobs available".
Some on this site have used the analogy of home owner insurance. Okay... let's go down that analogy.
If I know a hurricane is coming I prepare my house to minimize damage. Okay, so there aren't any hurricanes in El Paso, but when I lived in Savannah I did this and my parents did this when I was growing up on Long Island. Maybe I'm the only sucker who does this- maybe others are hoping there is damage to their house so the insurance company will pick up the tab... but I digress.
After I've done all I can if there is damage to the house I use the insurance to make the repairs. Not make the house new (unless it's totaled), but to repair it.
The same should hold true for unemployment insurance. Yes, sometimes people are blindsided just as a homeowner can be blindsided by a tornado. But usually there are signals to business failings. Heck, if you're in the aviation industry you should assume you will be furloughed, your company will go under, or that any defined benefit plan you have will not survive. I have always advised pilots to always look for their next job even if they are very happy with their current job. If after taking these precautions you still face catastrophy... by all means use UE.
Again, my issue is the way the OPs question sounded and the response to it... "Should I take UE instead of another job". To me that is akin of someone asking if they should try to get money from an insurance company for damage not sustained to property. That's fraud. Maybe the UE case does not meet the "legal" definition of fraud, but when I look at myself in the mirror it does if I have other options.
 
minitour said:
Exactly. You're learning now. That's good!



-mini
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If 500b is willing to post that portion of his return so am I... as soon as I finish it. Only 8 more days to file for an extension.
I will also say that I give back in ways I can not or do not deduct. I've given "charity" rides in my airplane to students who have shown determination but do not have the resources to pay for spin training. I don't bother trying to capture the time I volunteer for the FAA safety program, time serving dinners during T-Day, feeding a soldier from Ft. Bliss at T-day afterward, free lunches I've purchased for the guy on the street (I don't give them money), volunteering at my church. That's the way I was raised- my father made me shovel the driveways of the widows on the street (yeah, just like the government forcing us to be charitable), the times I spent with my father volunteering to raise money for charities, delivering meals to the elderly. I found it ironic that as we struggled to make ends meet and ate 5 gallon tubs of generic peanut butter that my dad spent so much of his time helping others. So yeah, I give back.
 
minitour said:
But why? Work is available! Sometimes you have to sacrifice, right?

-mini
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Funny... I missed it. Can you quote for me where the OP asked if he should cross a picket line or collect UE?
Legal and ethical work.
I would suck it up if I lost my job and needed work, but I would never do something illegal or unethical. Even if I disagree with the strike I would not cross a picket line on ethical grounds. I'd rather work in a different field... say as a greeter at Walmart on serving coffee... sorry, a "barista" at Starbucks.
While working for Colgan would not be my "ideal" job and I would probably change professions before working there, but I would work there before unemployment and last I checked they are not on strike.
 
minitour said:
I don't recall saying that he did ask that.

Can you show me where I did?

-mini
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I was accused of hijacking a thread about taking unemployment instead of working (original OPs question)... and you changed it into a thread about crossing a picket line.
 
Blackhawk said:
I was accused of hijacking a thread about taking unemployment instead of working (original OPs question)... and you changed it into a thread about crossing a picket line.
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I didn't change anything. I asked you a simple question with a follow-up.

Does this mean you can't show me where I said the OP asked about crossing a picket line?

-mini
 
minitour said:
I didn't change anything. I asked you a simple question with a follow-up.

Does this mean you can't show me where I said the OP asked about crossing a picket line?

-mini
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So what's your freaking point or have you been tipping back the sauce???
I responded and if you'd like feel free to respond to it:
"Legal and ethical work.
I would suck it up if I lost my job and needed work, but I would never do something illegal or unethical. Even if I disagree with the strike I would not cross a picket line on ethical grounds. I'd rather work in a different field... say as a greeter at Walmart on serving coffee... sorry, a "barista" at Starbucks.
While working for Colgan would not be my "ideal" job and I would probably change professions before working there, but I would work there before unemployment and last I checked they are not on strike."

Or do you need help reading?
 
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