True that. It doesn’t even apply to me I just remember hearing something similar back in the day. Curious if current hiring environment has changed things like that.
Eh, I have no failures at all, international 1300+ PIC, and still can't get a call from the apps I have out. Who freaking knows.I had heard places like AA, Delta, FedEx won’t look at a person with more than 2. Does this unwritten rule still exist?
Eh, I have no failures at all, international 1300+ PIC, and still can't get a call from the apps I have out. Who freaking knows.
It depends.
Some airlines aren’t going to care much depending on their staffing challenges, others will absolutely care.
Some carriers will accept a few with consideration for the period of time and how you handle it during an interview. They’re going to want you to absolutely own the failure and then walk them through what happened and how you recovered (learned) from it and how it made you into a better pilot today. Think of the earlier failures as somewhat forgiven, but each advancing failure is a bigger and bigger deal, except for CFI-initial and that “Year of Terror” when novice regional instructors handed out transitional first officer type rating failures like bourbon chicken samples at a mall food court because they didn’t know any better.
Other carriers may be happy you just showed up and can fog a mirror.
My honest, tough-love perspective is take them seriously, think about what went wrong and what you learned from each event and be ready to discuss it during an interview and knock every other checkride absolutely dead by over-preparing.
Eh, I have no failures at all, international 1300+ PIC, and still can't get a call from the apps I have out. Who freaking knows.
Well that ain't no friggin' surprise after you posted that mustache selfie onlineEh, I have no failures at all, international 1300+ PIC, and still can't get a call from the apps I have out. Who freaking knows.
I'm hoping that's the case, but don't know for sure. I guess we'll find out in the future.Is it maybe because of no 121 before your current shop?
I will agree and disagree. There are still challenging 121 aircraft that can eat your lunch if you arent prepared. And there definitely limits, but I believe they can't fit everybody. I personally have a higher than normal amount of checkride failures. Are they all deserved? Probably not. There are problems with the financial incentives for examiners to fail people. All it takes is an examiner to have a bad day and boom, you have a failure.What if a guy has 5 checkride failures, but explains all of them in an interview beautifully and fully understandably? At some point you have to draw a line that goes "bro, no."
Colgan 3407 changed the mentality.
The unfortunate reality is if that person ends up in an NTSB report, they really aren't going to care about the "how it was handled in an interview" and instead will straight up write up the history of failures. The media will tarnish you as well. I can understand 1 or 2 failures. But starting at 3, you really need to evaluate how you are approaching checkrides, preparation, and the checkride itself. I'll agree with everyone else that failing 121 training and checkrides is an absolute red flag. Gone are the days of DC9 steam gauge stuff requiring physical and mental work. All RJs and mainline aircraft today are glass and easy to fly.
What if a guy has 5 checkride failures, but explains all of them in an interview beautifully and fully understandably? At some point you have to draw a line that goes "bro, no."
Colgan 3407 changed the mentality.
The unfortunate reality is if that person ends up in an NTSB report, they really aren't going to care about the "how it was handled in an interview" and instead will straight up write up the history of failures. The media will tarnish you as well. I can understand 1 or 2 failures. But starting at 3, you really need to evaluate how you are approaching checkrides, preparation, and the checkride itself. I'll agree with everyone else that failing 121 training and checkrides is an absolute red flag. Gone are the days of DC9 steam gauge stuff requiring physical and mental work. All RJs and mainline aircraft today are glass and easy to fly.
Current shop talked to me at length about their training program during the phone screen.$$$ run the HR department.
A surplus of applicants: 0 checkride failures.
A deficit of applicants: arbitrarily number is okay.
Look at any number of regional’s as of late. It hasn’t hit the majors yet, but it will.
HR often doesn’t know their head from their caboose. A friend was told he needed more leadership experience,.... a Naval officer, like as in commanding officer. But the dude who walked diabetic blind dogs on the weekends has exemplary leadership qualities. Yeah, OK.
@Autothrust Blue We have a horrendous training program, and it's a wonder it hasn't switched to AQP sooner. I had your classmate in the jumpseat the other day, he said there were a few failures (one oral and check ride?).
On a cost savings, I assume AQP is better to train, al beit, I'm out of my element when it comes to safety-benefit and cost benefit of AQP vs our traditional PC's.
I have had both and honestly I cannot tell the difference. Although that may have been due to the LDS implementation of AQP, and not any fault of the ideas behind AQP. My last CQ, bluntly, was a joke for reasons I will tell you about offline.@Autothrust Blue We have a horrendous training program, and it's a wonder it hasn't switched to AQP sooner. I had your classmate in the jumpseat the other day, he said there were a few failures (one oral and check ride?).
On a cost savings, I assume AQP is better to train, al beit, I'm out of my element when it comes to safety-benefit and cost benefit of AQP vs our traditional PC's.
You’re gonna get the alphabet organization and blind-puppy walker squad all #triggered.At the risk of sounding like myself again, the job is to safely operate the airplane.
Easier to fly, yes. Not necessarily easier to manage, which is what’s required to be successful for 121 training events in my experience.
That might be the dumbest thing I have read today. I have flown as Captain in the SAAB 340 and the Q400. The SAAB was far easier to manage.Managing glass cockpits isn't too hard, at least if you grew up with computers and are in your 20s or 30s.