flee to south america to hide from you creditorsMy only question is what do you do at the end of the program?
Interesting.
Surreal1221 is instructing there I thought. I'm interested in his perspective above board or through a PM.![]()
...heard Falcon referred to as FAA or I have missed a lot...I can't believe Falcon would do this.
Interesting.
Surreal1221 is instructing there I thought. I'm interested in his perspective above board or through a PM.![]()
I didnt realize he was instructing there. I know he has been strangely silent anytime anyone tries to mention Falcon and Gulfstream.
I don't see Falcon referring themselves as FAA on the page. The JetCareers post has a misleading subject line but that's all.
There is no deliberate attempt to appear to be "the FAA", that would be ridiculous and poor marketing technique.
...I meant teaming up with Gulfstream.
Well, haven't been an employee for Falcon in over a year. My perspective to follow.
3) My wife delivered our first child Friday and I haven't really bothered to spend much time on any forums.
As far as my perspective on this relationship.
It's just as bad as ATP (or any school) joining forces with Gulfstream and marketing Gulfstream's internship program as an ethical way to enter the profession.
Really not much else to say about it. It's a downright sad state of affairs and it's unfortunate that schools across this country are breeding a class of pilots who will think that Pay For Training establishments are a normal and natural thing - compounding the fact that Gulfstream Airlines has SALARIED First Officers (not the ones PAYING the company to have a job) out on the street looking for work. It's a ridiculous business practice and one that severely impacts the long term pay, benefits, and quality of life outcomes for every professional part 121 pilot.
Bad is bad, no matter what curtain it is hiding behind.
Well, haven't been an employee for Falcon in over a year. My perspective to follow.
Strangely silent?
Seriously? Let's look at a couple of things:
1) This forum is not at the top of my monitoring list - since well - I don't have a connection with the company any longer.
2) I have, in the past, recommended veterans to attend Falcon's training as I feel it is top notch and second to none for the cost and overall training experience when utilizing VA Benefits. On that note, in the last three months I've had previous service member associates inquiring about flight training and where to go. I direct them towards Falcon and let them make up their own mind, and I'll also tell them to stay well clear of anything with the name Gulfstream on it.
3) My wife delivered our first child Friday and I haven't really bothered to spend much time on any forums.
4) Well - strangely silent? Give me a break.
As far as my perspective on this relationship.
It's just as bad as ATP (or any school) joining forces with Gulfstream and marketing Gulfstream's internship program as an ethical way to enter the profession.
Really not much else to say about it. It's a downright sad state of affairs and it's unfortunate that schools across this country are breeding a class of pilots who will think that Pay For Training establishments are a normal and natural thing - compounding the fact that Gulfstream Airlines has SALARIED First Officers (not the ones PAYING the company to have a job) out on the street looking for work. It's a ridiculous business practice and one that severely impacts the long term pay, benefits, and quality of life outcomes for every professional part 121 pilot.
Bad is bad, no matter what curtain it is hiding behind.
I too thought you had been strangely silent over this after you had been so voiced over at the ATP forums. I even speculated that you were intentionally keeping quiet to let it cool off. I guess that is what happens when one makes ASSumptions. For that I am sorry.
On the other side, congratulations on your child! I am 2 months out on my first as well.
No need to apologize, I never knew anyone was assuming anything. It is what it is.![]()
What a shame.. I can remember once upon a time a certain someone in charge over there laughed at such programs... Shameful...
Just to emphasize this point, in case some fresh young mind is reading this, first year take home pay is about $1300/m at a "good" regional.for people who will have significant difficulty paying that 550 to 1000 a month loan payment on the wages of an entry-level airline pilot.
Well, in a conversation I had with a Falcon representative a few days ago, they certainly didn't seem too thrilled to have to resort to such measures.
Nevertheless, I still don't have a problem recommending Falcon to someone who needs a couple ratings - as I don't have a problem recommending any other reputable school for individual or a few ratings or ATP testing.
But as far as a full blown career program, it's not Falcon dependent, I'll never recommend doing such a program with any flight school until the benefits are significantly greater than the downside risk. Right now just is not the time to invest money into flight training on the scale of 50-80k, the whip cream on the pie is teaming up with Gulfstream.
ATP wasn't the first, and they won't be the last. As can be seen, more and more schools are leaning towards generating a whole class of pilots who will - due to their indoctrination into the profession - think that PFJ/PFT establishments are a-o-kay. The reasons are absolutely clear and it's the lack of funding from SLM or other private loan organizations, and the downside risk of entering the profession right now, the lack of growth, movement, and earnings. It's home mortgages on a much smaller scale, and the underwriters have realized they can't keep issuing out 50-80k loans for people who will have significant difficulty paying that 550 to 1000 a month loan payment on the wages of an entry-level airline pilot.