ExpressJet Mishap with FA

Aaron_Kearney said:
I for one find the actions of the F/A reprehensible. The way the story was presented, the mom in no way threatened the attendant. Yet the F/A proceeded up to the cockpit and said she had been threatened? If I was the captain and I had gone all the way back to the gate under false pretenses, I think I'd be pretty ticked. I mean, ultimately, the captain was the one that made the decision to turn back. Would his decision have been any different had the F/A presented the situation accurately? Instead, the company now could face litigation as a result of the F/A's actions that could prove much more expensive than the annoyance of having a small child on board making noise for a few hours.

Of course, the story didn't say how exactly they knew that the F/A had said she was threatened, either.
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she was threatened by the kid's sonic weapon of scream.

it was a potential weapon :panic:

seriously though, if my kid started crying because he/she doesn't know how to pop her ears, well then its best not to go fly with the baby, instead wait long enough so she can talk so I can say what I need to.

you know what'd be the worst? imagine you are flying somewhere as CA, and your wife and baby is traveling on the plane. and the FA calls saying they need to go back to the gate because she is being threatened by an annoying lady and her annoying baby! oh boy! now that would be interesting! :D
 
FYI.....this story said nothing about a child crying, just repeating words. Big effing deal folks! Wish I had a nickle for every obnoxious drunk knocking the seat from behind. Sounds more like the FA works on the side for American/Eagle. Talk about FAs with a tude...OMG! Recent experience from PSP-ORD-HPN was an example of the worst customer service ever! I felt like they were paying me to fly due to the lack of friendliness, long delays on handing out a lousy beverage and constantly talking with there peers about their personal lives while on duty. Ohh...guess what? The return flight was just as bad. I do have to say that there was one FA in business that was on the ball and worked her fanny off. You could tell she was 'old school' cuz she emitted that good ole airline attitude from the 70's. Ohh....I can't forget the ticket agents...they suprisingly did give a darn. :)
 
Re: Mother and baby kicked off Conti express in ATL

At least that kid was actually talking when someone wanted him to be quiet.

On our flight to Jamaica was this woman who INCESSANTLY berated her child for something he MIGHT do.

"Don't you talk loud, okay? No, I don't want to hear you talking loud because you're going to bother everybody on the plane!"

I am not exaggerating when I say she did this the whole way, and her son was absolutely well-behaved.

Countless passengers wanted to kill the mother by the end of the flight.

Poor kid. Poor kid!
 
mtsu_av8er said:
That's enough to drive me mad. . .
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I gotta go with Lloyd on this one, because if the 'lil noisemakers aren't making noise they're kicking the seats. I've been a proponent of "no child shall fly before the age of 10" for quite a while now.
 
Just raise the ticket prices and most of this type of problem would go away, that and get rid of the lap baby idea. I have traveled with small ones (started at 9weeks for the son). There is some planning that you can do to reduce such incidents, but they do happen time to time. Story doesnt paint a good picture, and I wasnt pleased that the FA offered some type of medicine (baby draminine??) either.
 
pullup said:
That time of the month? I have an 18 month old and just got back from Fla with her. She was good on the 2 hr. flight but could've easily turned into a screaming match. 18 month old kids don't understand why they have to stop crying, they just cry.
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With all due respect, pullup, it is EXACTLY this attitude that passengers are rebelling against. None of those passengers had any say in whether or not you had a kid, and if your kid is making things lousy for 50-100 other people, you're being rude.

It's an instinct and a reaction. Ears pop during altitude changes? Babies can't exactly deal with pain, they cry. And I am not driving 20+ hrs with a baby, people can suck it up for 2 hrs.
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All the more reason to not put them on a plane. And since you chose to have the kid, you can be the one to suck it up for 20 hours in the car.

Look - I know that sounds harsh - and I will apologize right now if you're offended by my remarks, but there is a sense of entitlement I see from a lot of parents (I'm not saying this is you) and further a certain social stigma on those who DON'T have kids. But 50-100 passengers should NOT have to be inconvenienced because of one kid, instinctual behavior or just brat; doesn't matter which.
 
Re: Mother and baby kicked off Conti express in ATL

SeatClutcher said:
At least that kid was actually talking when someone wanted him to be quiet.

On our flight to Jamaica was this woman who INCESSANTLY berated her child for something he MIGHT do.

"Don't you talk loud, okay? No, I don't want to hear you talking loud because you're going to bother everybody on the plane!"

I am not exaggerating when I say she did this the whole way, and her son was absolutely well-behaved.

Countless passengers wanted to kill the mother by the end of the flight.

Poor kid. Poor kid!
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:yeahthat: Well if they're going to throw off every kid who makes a little noise on a plane, then they should remove every annoying adult as well. I suppose I was lucky with my boys. They've been flying all over since they were a few weeks old and they were always well behaved other than wanting to take walks up and down the aisles, as well as make frequent visits to the cockpit because they wanted to fly the airplane. They never screamed or cried much when they were little and were always pretty happy little dudes.

I had to sit next to a sweaty, smelly, flatulent guy once on a full plane. That was a hella lot more annoying than a kid saying "Plane go bye-bye" At least I could cover my ears for that, but since I have to breathe, ya can't cover your nose. Should I have had the captain turn the plane around and have that farting nasty man removed from the flight?

If the media got that story right and the passengers did indeed corraborate the woman's story, then the flight attendant obviously has issues with kids and should get another job. I will agree though that many parents let their kids behave in an inappropriate manner and don't try to correct them - those parents annoy me too!
 
If you want the guarantee of no kids on your plane, rent your own plane or charter a plane. If you want the guarantee that you'll never experience the inconvenience of a screaming a kid, just stay home and isolate yourself from all of society. Being around people that you find inconvenient is part of being in a society. I find stupid people on the road to be extremely bothersome to me. However, they're there and I deal with them.

Personally, I don't fly with my kids. They're typical toddlers in that they're prone to tantrums every now and then, and while I do my absolute best to circumvent tantrums, I can not guarantee their behavior. Nor do I want to deal with all of their 'stuff', stroller, carseats, etc in an airport. For me, it's easier to drive with them. They're not old enough to 'get' anything out of leisure travel yet, and our travels are pretty much limited to trips to the farm to visit my parents.

For all of you who say "drive with your kids", how is a military family who'd been based, say, in Germany, supposed to get home when their deployment is up? They can't drive home from Germany!
 
killbilly said:
With all due respect, pullup, it is EXACTLY this attitude that passengers are rebelling against. None of those passengers had any say in whether or not you had a kid, and if your kid is making things lousy for 50-100 other people, you're being rude.



All the more reason to not put them on a plane. And since you chose to have the kid, you can be the one to suck it up for 20 hours in the car.

Look - I know that sounds harsh - and I will apologize right now if you're offended by my remarks, but there is a sense of entitlement I see from a lot of parents (I'm not saying this is you) and further a certain social stigma on those who DON'T have kids. But 50-100 passengers should NOT have to be inconvenienced because of one kid, instinctual behavior or just brat; doesn't matter which.
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Me thinks there is a sense of entitlement on both sides of the issue. Those other people also have the option of going by car if they don't want to hear a baby. Works both ways. You can't please everyone all the time. You know what annoys me? People talking like they are in a hurricane, people blasting their music for all to hear, people who smell, people who constantly get up and go in the overheads, etc. But I do not let that ruin a short flight for me. You just ignore it and read, sleep, etc. I didn't know that public airline travel had turned so elitist. Don't like babies, fats, drunks, etc then charter your own plane.
 
MQAAord said:
For all of you who say "drive with your kids", how is a military family who'd been based, say, in Germany, supposed to get home when their deployment is up? They can't drive home from Germany!
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They could put the kids in a pet carrier and let them ride in the bottom of the plane, or alternatively, Fedex comes to mind. :D:sarcasm:
 
mtsu_av8er said:
They do, without a doubt . . . the right to not have to listen to loud babies!
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:yeahthat:

People often ask me why I hate kids.

I tell them I love kids. Well behaved ones.

If there's a kid showing less control than I impose on my cats, then yup, I hate that kid.
 
Knowing how much of a PITA it is to do a gate return, I have serious doubts about the "Overbearing FA and hapless or equally obnoxious Captain" story. I'm not saying that it's impossible, just unlikely. I think it is much more likely that we are just reading and hearing the most 'news-friendly' version of the story.

Air-travel sob stories are in media vogue right now, and there's nothing for it but to keep your head down and your wits about you until people get bored of it and clamor for the next bit of gossip or moral outrage.
 
I had a lap baby next to me on a two hour flight and within the first five minutes I was getting pissed. I really get irritated with whiney kids, especially in restaurants as well. Thankfully the FA let me sit in the back by the lav to get out from the "grab at my suit with cheetos" finger kid. Oh I do long for the heddy days of traveling attire and decorum.

In this instance the FA was just fed up with the same old thing and had a miss and a swing on the cust service issue.
 
Being around people that you find inconvenient is part of being in a society. I find stupid people on the road to be extremely bothersome to me. However, they're there and I deal with them.
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While I agree, the difference is that on an airplane we do have a choice and the FA and CA made the decision to take care of the problem. For every person that supports the baby and the mother there will be 2 more that say 'It's about time'. Sure you can do nothing about 'stupid people driving on the road' but you can change who you fly with and the CA had full right to make his decision.
 
This is why my Mom always gave us something like benedryl when we flew. Our ears didn't pop and we fell asleep. She would always get compliments on how well behaved her children were. This was non-reving with me (4 years old) and my twin baby sisters without my Dad to help her. Also it wasn't a rogue decision, my mom's a nurse and it was suggested by our pediatrician.
 
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