ExpressJet Mishap with FA

Kick her off. If I can't talk on the phone, I really don't want to have to hear anybody's kids. If you can't keep them quiet, they don't belong in public.

I can't believe the ignorance in that statement.

I am the parent of a child with Autism. My child's behavior is frequently thought of as strange or weird. It has NOTHING to do with my parenting skills.

Are you suggesting I institutionalize him because he can't "stay quiet" and doesn't "belong" in public??

Please.
 
Uh, Hacker- mtsu_av8er suggested nothing of the kind. You did.
And that noisy kid wasn't Autisic. He just had a mother who was unable/unwilling to exert control over him.

But hey, if you want to make a bunch of stuff up and then call people ignorant, that's your business. But, um, it kinda makes you look a little ignorant.

I'm just sayin'.
 
Well if you dont like sitting next to little kids that are loud and annoying on airplanes....then don't EVER sit next to me then. I dont have any kids but...(and this is the honest truth)..on my last 5 flights i have been RIGHT next to the screaming, loud, crying kicking...kid. EVERY TIME! On one flights the kid behind me was behind me and hit me a few times on the back of the head.... I didnt say anything to the parents but, i did piss me off. Thats just my luck.....the last flight that I had I just laughed at it....while the guy next to me was steaming.......but thats how it goes sometimes.........
 
If you want the guarantee of no kids on your plane, rent your own plane or charter a plane. If you want the guarantee that you'll never experience the inconvenience of a screaming a kid, just stay home and isolate yourself from all of society. Being around people that you find inconvenient is part of being in a society. I find stupid people on the road to be extremely bothersome to me. However, they're there and I deal with them.

In principle, Amber, I agree with you. And I do like kids, and I do have a relatively decent tolerance for them. But I also fly a lot, and unfortunately, ill-behaved kids is becoming more the norm than the aberration, in my opinion. Then again, I am getting older, too. :)

Personally, I don't fly with my kids. They're typical toddlers in that they're prone to tantrums every now and then, and while I do my absolute best to circumvent tantrums, I can not guarantee their behavior. Nor do I want to deal with all of their 'stuff', stroller, carseats, etc in an airport. For me, it's easier to drive with them. They're not old enough to 'get' anything out of leisure travel yet, and our travels are pretty much limited to trips to the farm to visit my parents.

And that kind of consideration for others is probably evident in your kids' upbringing. Good on ya.

For all of you who say "drive with your kids", how is a military family who'd been based, say, in Germany, supposed to get home when their deployment is up? They can't drive home from Germany!

Obviously, that is a different circumstance. We're talking about a domestic flight here.

Me thinks there is a sense of entitlement on both sides of the issue. Those other people also have the option of going by car if they don't want to hear a baby. Works both ways.

Yes and no. There are fewer children than grownups on a plane, barring a large school or group trip. I do believe that the general comfort and convenience of the majority of the passengers outweighs the convenience for one child on the plane.

I have no problem with well-behaved kids. I like them - and like I said, I even cut them a lot of slack. But the problem is that an ill-behaved child in those close, confined quarters is a magnified issue; there's nowhere to escape to, no other table I can pick, etc.

Babies are one thing - toddlers/small brats quite another. You don't know if there's going to be one on the plane until you board. Their parents know well in advance.

You can't please everyone all the time. You know what annoys me? People talking like they are in a hurricane, people blasting their music for all to hear, people who smell, people who constantly get up and go in the overheads, etc. But I do not let that ruin a short flight for me.

I agree with you on all of the above statements. We've got that going for us. :)

You just ignore it and read, sleep, etc. I didn't know that public airline travel had turned so elitist. Don't like babies, fats, drunks, etc then charter your own plane.

It's not about being elitist, man. It's about basic common courtesy - and yes - ill-behaved children, massively obese passengers, in-flight drunks - all of those are problematic. We're on the same page there.
 
To ensure you dont sit next to some big smelly slob, a drunk idiot, a crying kid, an overweight person, an elderly weird smelling grandma, an over-talkative jabber head, a 6'11" tall person, a person with smelly feet, a person that uses the bathroom 20 times in a one hour flight, and any other potential issue, I'd suggest you looking into THIS or maybe even THIS. Both seem to be a potential alternative to the issues they may be experienced during air travel.

If you cant or dont want to use the above mentioned forms of travel, unfortunately you're going to have to deal with it.
 
Re: Mother and baby kicked off Conti express in ATL

I would be PISSED for the delays!!! I would take a kid crying on a 2 hour flight over a 4 hour delay anyday - especially considering most of them had already been delayed many hours.
 
This is such a touchy subject. I being a parent of two children have traveled with them and have dealt with the wrath of the traveling public. My oldest has ADHD and he's pretty good at flying now. My youngest is a pro as well. We've had out bouts with my oldest being unruly as you would call it. I've also been a solo traveler and still do on some occassions, and experienced travelers with unruly children. For us we fly, because we can as a bennefit of my employment with Comair. We also don't get a lot of vacation, so to visit either of our parents for a couple of days in New Mexico or California, we can't drive, plus it costs gas money (and gas isn't getting cheaper!). For me when my son gets "out of control" all it takes is the threat of daddy using the belt and if I need to go a little further, I'll reach down and jingle the buckle and then he gets that he better chill or his butt cheeks are gonna be sore from a woopin! These parents who let their children run all over them, need to revisit the great world of spankings!;)
 
It's worth mentioning that most major airlines don't allow children under a certain age to sit in first class.

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Also, it seems clear to me now that the woman who got booted was using her child as a tool to vent her frustrations. It wasn't that the child was uncontrollable, it was that the woman was making a point of not controlling the child in order to disrupt the FA's safety demonstration. Her (in)action was intentional, deliberate, and she absolutely deserved to get booted for her (not the child's) behavior. It's telling that when the mom was given a time-out, she immediately went to the press for satisfaction. She played media against airline, just like a three-year-old will play Mommy against Daddy.

I'm all in favor of removing excessively disruptive children. That the child may be thirty years old is entirely incedental.
 
Uh, Hacker- mtsu_av8er suggested nothing of the kind. You did.
And that noisy kid wasn't Autisic. He just had a mother who was unable/unwilling to exert control over him.

But hey, if you want to make a bunch of stuff up and then call people ignorant, that's your business. But, um, it kinda makes you look a little ignorant.

I'm just sayin'.

Uhhh, no.

His quote, exactly, was "If you can't keep them quiet, they don't belong in public."

That is the statement I found highly ignorant.

Why?

As an argument, I used the example of my own child who is UNABLE to control himself in public in a way that society sees as normal due to a mental disorder.

I was pointing out that his argument implied that I NEVER be able to take my child in public because I can't "keep him quiet".

What's so difficult to follow in that logic?

Making a broad generalization about children without realizing there are numerous reasons outside of bad parenting or just being a snotty kid that children may not adhere to societal norms of keeping quiet in confined places line an airplane flight is the part that is ignorant.
 
If you want the guarantee of no kids on your plane, rent your own plane or charter a plane. If you want the guarantee that you'll never experience the inconvenience of a screaming a kid, just stay home and isolate yourself from all of society. Being around people that you find inconvenient is part of being in a society. I find stupid people on the road to be extremely bothersome to me. However, they're there and I deal with them.

For all of you who say "drive with your kids", how is a military family who'd been based, say, in Germany, supposed to get home when their deployment is up? They can't drive home from Germany!
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat: Amen!!

As a parent of a toddler - who we've flown with several times already - let me say to those who "can't deal with it" - deal with it.

While it can and is annoying when a child hits the wall in a plane, it's a fact of life.

Flying is no longer a luxury for the elite, for the wealthy, for those who "Can" vs. those who "cannot". Simply put, airlines are the Greyhound buses of today.

Don't want to be bothered by screaming kids? Tough.

If you are bothered by a child simply TALKING in a plane - maybe it's you who needs a reality check or even some therapy.

In short - get real. Grow up and be an adult.

Unreal.
 
This is such a touchy subject. I being a parent of two children have traveled with them and have dealt with the wrath of the traveling public. My oldest has ADHD and he's pretty good at flying now. My youngest is a pro as well. We've had out bouts with my oldest being unruly as you would call it. I've also been a solo traveler and still do on some occassions, and experienced travelers with unruly children. For us we fly, because we can as a bennefit of my employment with Comair. We also don't get a lot of vacation, so to visit either of our parents for a couple of days in New Mexico or California, we can't drive, plus it costs gas money (and gas isn't getting cheaper!). For me when my son gets "out of control" all it takes is the threat of daddy using the belt and if I need to go a little further, I'll reach down and jingle the buckle and then he gets that he better chill or his butt cheeks are gonna be sore from a woopin! These parents who let their children run all over them, need to revisit the great world of spankings!;)
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat: I Agree 100%,
 
:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat: Amen!!

As a parent of a toddler - who we've flown with several times already - let me say to those who "can't deal with it" - deal with it.

While it can and is annoying when a child hits the wall in a plane, it's a fact of life.

Flying is no longer a luxury for the elite, for the wealthy, for those who "Can" vs. those who "cannot". Simply put, airlines are the Greyhound buses of today.

Don't want to be bothered by screaming kids? Tough.

If you are bothered by a child simply TALKING in a plane - maybe it's you who needs a reality check or even some therapy.

In short - get real. Grow up and be an adult.

Unreal.
:nana2: Good on ya Stan!
 
Just raise the ticket prices and most of this type of problem would go away...

If the airlines did that (raise ticket prices) then they wouldn't have as many flights per day. Not as many flights per day and you don't need as many planes hence, a few more people on this board will be out of a job.

But then to think about it again, you're saying that there is a strong correlation between poor behaviour of children and household income and this my friend can be a very dangerous thing to do.
 
I can't believe the #1 ignorance in that statement.

I am the parent of a child with Autism. My child's behavior is frequently thought of as strange or weird. It has NOTHING to do with my parenting skills.

#2 Are you suggesting I institutionalize him because he can't "stay quiet" and doesn't "belong" in public??

Please.

Uh, Hacker- mtsu_av8er suggested nothing of the kind. You did.
And that noisy kid wasn't Autisic. #3 He just had a mother who was unable/unwilling to exert control over him.

#3a But hey, if you want to make a bunch of stuff up and #4 then call people ignorant, that's your business. But, um, it kinda makes you look a little ignorant.

I'm just sayin'.

#1 hack never said mtsu is ignorant, he said the statement is. plenty of smart people make ignorant statements sometimes.

#2 to lloyds defense he never said institutionalize the child either. that is stretching his statement

#3 I realize you are a Xjet CA, but unless I missed something you were not the pilot so you really don't know for sure what happened,

#3a seeing #3 aren't you in essence making something up?

#4 see #1


know what I'm sayin.... ;)
 
But then to think about it again, you're saying that there is a strong correlation between poor behaviour of children and household income and this my friend can be a very dangerous thing to do.

If you ask me, there is.

It's kind of bell curve shaped. If income is the x axis and quality of child behavior is the y axis, you see very poor behavior on the extremes of the income scale.

Don't believe me?

Okay, for the high end side of things, two words. Paris Hilton.

And for the low end side of things, there's a reason why people call things ghetto.

Fortunately for most of us, there is some relief when it comes to our fellow passengers and their kids.

The people on the high end of the income scale charter their own aircraft and the ones on the low end of the income scale can't afford a plane ticket.

I'm only being slightly facetious.
 
Uhhh, no.
His quote, exactly, was "If you can't keep them quiet, they don't belong in public."
That is the statement I found highly ignorant.
Why?
As an argument, I used the example of my own child who is UNABLE to control himself in public in a way that society sees as normal due to a mental disorder.
I was pointing out that his argument implied that I NEVER be able to take my child in public because I can't "keep him quiet".
What's so difficult to follow in that logic?
Making a broad generalization about children without realizing there are numerous reasons outside of bad parenting or just being a snotty kid that children may not adhere to societal norms of keeping quiet in confined places line an airplane flight is the part that is ignorant.

Uhh, no again.
What you said, exactly, was:
Hacker15e said:
Are you suggesting I institutionalize him because he can't "stay quiet" and doesn't "belong" in public??
mtsu_av8er said nothing about institutionalizing anyone! Where did you even get that? Moreover, he has already indicated that he has two children of his own who he is perfectly capable of controlling, as any parent should be.

Your "logic" that in presenting one example of a child with a medical condition who cannot control his own behavior somehow absolves the rest of the world who just let their kids run wild with no responsible guidance whatsoever is ignorant in and of itself. I get your point, but if you think mtsu_av8er was referring to children with developmental disorders the credibility of your argument is strained in the extreme-- particularly when you put words in his mouth that he never even said. It makes you appear either intentionally obstinate, willfully ignorant, or both.
 
I can't believe the ignorance in that statement.

I am the parent of a child with Autism. My child's behavior is frequently thought of as strange or weird. It has NOTHING to do with my parenting skills.

I won't even go there - it's not relevant to the discussion.

Are you suggesting I institutionalize him because he can't "stay quiet" and doesn't "belong" in public??

Nope. Did I lead you to believe that?
 
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