Expect more holding for EWR

NovemberEcho said:
The issues in ATC right now go back waaay further than Trump. This can has been kicked down the road since even before 1981.
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Agreed… there were about ten thousand people who graduated from accredited universities (from about 2002-2010) with the intent of being controllers who aren’t because of stupidity and poor decisions regardless of political persuasion.
 
NovemberEcho said:
They get really mad at me when I write on training forms

“This hour had 6 planes. It taught the trainee nothing but did waste an hour of their allotted hours, but at least we get to make the people in Washington happy.”
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Good on you… keep it up. If it isn’t documented it can’t be fixed. More data like that might actually bring change in a semi meaningful way.
 
NovemberEcho said:
They get really mad at me when I write on training forms

“This hour had 6 planes. It taught the trainee nothing but did waste an hour of their allotted hours, but at least we get to make the people in Washington happy.”
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Wish more trainers did this. I had a trainer at a previous facility write something to this effect and they made him re-write the form (pre-TEAM).
 
jhugz said:
Yeeting another thread into the lav due to politics at the same rate the FAA is yeeting airplanes into EWR. I feel almost as bad for the JC admins as I do the EWR controllers.
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this is you

 
Frank said what?

Code: 
CTL ELEMENT: EWR
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 0925Z
DELAY ASSIGNMENT MODE: UDP
ARRIVALS ESTIMATED FOR: 09/1100Z - 10/0359Z
CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 09/1100Z - 10/0359Z
PROGRAM RATE: 22/22/22/22/22/22/34/34/34/34/34/34/34/34/34/34/34
FLT INCL: ALL CONTIGUOUS US DEP
DEP SCOPE: (ALL+CZY_AP) ZLA ZAU ZLC ZTL ZDC ZNY ZHU ZJX ZFW ZOB ZDV
 ZOA ZSE ZBW ZMA ZKC ZME ZID ZAB ZMP
CANADIAN DEP ARPTS INCLUDED: CYHZ CYOW CYUL CYYZ CYTZ CYQB
DELAY ASSIGNMENT TABLE APPLIES TO: ZNY
MAXIMUM DELAY: 139
AVERAGE DELAY: 78
IMPACTING CONDITION: STAFFING / STAFFING
COMMENTS: ARR/DEP 22S, TIME +45, LOW POP-UP.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Hot dang.
Don’t know if this is a Corpie or a GArpie, but this is entirely unacceptable. Doesn’t help every ATC instruction is a paragraph long, still, no excuse for this pilot!





View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KmO6IPO8s
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Rolls eyes. She shouldn’t be giving instructions by radar only. When he asked if she wanted him to go straight that is a visual cue. If she can’t tell what way he’s pointing when he asks she shouldn’t have affirmed the inquiry.

On the other hand foreflight has this new taxi feature that fixes this problem.
 
Avalon781ML said:
Agreed… there were about ten thousand people who graduated from accredited universities (from about 2002-2010) with the intent of being controllers who aren’t because of stupidity and poor decisions regardless of political persuasion.
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Not sure what exactly you’re referring to but I will say that the CTI program didn’t make anyone a better controller than someone who got picked up without it
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Wait til Age 67!


Apparently it only failed by one vote last time.
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I’d imagine most will try to milk the LTD train if 67 passes. Every time I hear the “fly til you die” guys ramble on I think about the FA’s. More so how slow the seniority train is depending on the airline, or was pre covid. Pre covid I knew FA’s who were waiting for a while to get to ATL with Delta or DFW/PHX with American. That’s the seniority game unfortunately but doesn’t help when folks are slow to leave off the top.
 
nabbyfan said:
It takes around 3 years to get someone from New Hire to fully certified at my facility. Even with this "supercharged hiring", theres almost no chance this problem is "fixed" by 2030 even.

Hardly anyone is talking about the massive wave of controllers hired in the late 00's that are about to become retirement eligible. There is a huge brain drain of experience coming for the FAA in the next 5 years or so.

Its perhaps a hot take, but there should be more delays and massively so nationwide for controller staffing. We've "made it work" with inadequate resources with almost no penalty to the Users/Airlines for far too long. The Chickens of FAA mismanagement and Congressional choice to pay OT instead of hiring enough people to actually do this job are coming home to roost. Ive said it over and over on here, but its going to get worse before it gets even worse.
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This is the part the masses don’t understand. This might sound crazy but I’m looking forward to the day where the system completely fall apart. Maybe then they’ll listen to the controllers and entertain some serious changes. Either that or some politicians family will be a part of the next accident. I had no clue about the number of controller retirement looming but good! Hopefully all of you all can ride off into the sunset with a lot less stress and leave the problems to someone else.

This is also now reason 28 I’ve been thinking about getting a Crashpad and bidding turns. Slim chance I’ll get the to the NE doing turns out of ONT.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Not sure what exactly you’re referring to but I will say that the CTI program didn’t make anyone a better controller than someone who got picked up without it
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That there were a whole heap of us trying to be controllers and never got the chance. Wasn’t trying to make a case for CTI vs anyone else… just that bodies were there and stupid decisions were made to not hire appropriately for a number of years.
 
Avalon781ML said:
That there were a whole heap of us trying to be controllers and never got the chance. Wasn’t trying to make a case for CTI vs anyone else… just that bodies were there and stupid decisions were made to not hire appropriately for a number of years.
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I left flying to go to ATC in 84. Only 4 in my class of 20 passed the screen in OKC. I ended up working at LA TRACON for 6 months as an ATA and then got back into flying. Washing out of the academy was the best thing that ever happened to me (though I was devastated at the time). What was sad was guys with families walked away from good jobs to go through the screening process thinking it was a good shot at a good career. Other classes had much better pass rates. Our instructors didn't work too hard to get us through or really seem to care.
 
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