Expect more holding for EWR
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GolfChuck
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Well, airborne holding is a whole lot more expensive than waiting on the ground. Short staffed EWR approach will put short staffed ZNY into the hold, who will put short-staffed ZDC, et al into the hold who will put short staffed ZJX into the hold etc. etc. If there is one way to get crap done it's to cost the airlines extra money.
Anyone around here fly to TXKF when their radar was out for 6+ months? Only reason that was ever fixed is because of the restrictive requirements the FAA implemented on arrivals there, and that was just Bermuda.
Anyone around here fly to TXKF when their radar was out for 6+ months? Only reason that was ever fixed is because of the restrictive requirements the FAA implemented on arrivals there, and that was just Bermuda.
DropTank
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GolfChuck
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What's a morning briefing? We don't have optional briefings, we do what management tells us and most places don't have the staffing to give formal briefings, so we get what essentially amounts to a memo that we have to acknowledge.
You never had a trainer, a captain, whatever tell you didn't do something that you know you did? Or that you did something that you know you didn't? Because that is what happens to old controllers. 56 is too old for most of us. I sure as hell don't plan to go that long. The decline is real.
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I can't think of anything, the anniversary of which is around this time of year, that might have had an effect on collective bargaining for air traffic controllers...
GolfChuck
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The FAA can't hire enough instructors, the throughput of the academy is less every year.
Hiring for nationwide announcements is another problem. I have worked in the northeast for my whole career with new hires from California and Washington State, because that is where the FAA places them. I wouldn't apply for a job like that.
Hiring and initial training is outside the scope of our CBA. New hires do not enter the bargaining unit until they report to their first duty station after the academy.
Richman
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Not to be a jerk, but you make it part of the CBA if it’s a priority.
nabbyfan
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I can promise you without a doubt, you dont want that. Ive worked with controllers on Age Waivers in the past....its not pretty. Theres a reason we go at 56. Experience can only overcome a lack of speed and quickness to a certain extent.
Not to sound petty, but we arent airline pilots working 5 days a month raking it in. Even at the end of career, were all on 6 day weeks for the most part and grinding away. Its not the same thing as you guys wanting to hang on as long as possible because at the end of your career youre making $400k+ to fly two trips a month. Im obv happy for all my friends who went the Pilot route, it worked out more than awesome for most of them, but alot of them dont understand the reality of ATC for the current workforce.
nabbyfan
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Current day NATCA has ( in my opinion only) clearly decided to prioritize preserving a Collaborative relationship with the FAA, where a chosen few at the top are off the floor full time doing meetings and other BS that should be management jobs, over fighting for the average controller.
I obv can only speak for myself, but I dont feel as if NATCA national is fighting for me in any way. Our current president ran a campaign based on "Day 1 Pay Raises" and "WE ARE NOT EXTENDING THE CONTRACT". He won a runoff election and then unilaterally decided to extend the Contract until 2029 out of fear of the Incoming Trump Admin. No Membership vote at all. We've been working under the same contract/rates/rules since 2016 with no membership input. It's crazy.
Amendments at the last union convention proposed by members a few months ago, to force a membership vote on any future contract extensions, were not even heard. That tells you enough about what the current "leadership" cares about.
jhugz
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Collective bargaining in the public sector is widely different then the private sector.
jhugz
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…and just like that United is on a ground stop due to W&B and ACARS issues. You’re welcome.
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Not to mention recent events that have reduced the ability for federal workers to use collective bargaining....
Appeals Court Allows Trump Order That Ends Union Protections for Federal Workers (Gift Article)
A famously liberal circuit court ruled in President Trump’s favor, authorizing a component of his sweeping effort to assert more control over the federal bureaucracy.
Came here to say this. The FAA has a training problem. I suspect if they held their instructors to the same standard required to get an initial CFI they’d see better results.
A150K
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jtrain609
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Cognitive decline is real in the flight deck too. I've seen some guys over 60 that are still sharp, but they're outliers.
NovemberEcho
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It would help if they didn’t make every person a trainer. Hell one of the first things you read in the OJTI class is how not everyone is cut out to be or should be a trainer. Just wanted to stand up like “me! I’m that guy!” Training drains whatever morale I have left right out of me.
nabbyfan
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Training is so painful. And every time I try to tell my Sup like hey, I’m not a natural born teacher like I have no patience for this and it’s not gonna be good for me or the trainee.
They don’t care, just need to get those training numbers up. Gotta hit those target hours every week!
NovemberEcho
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They get really mad at me when I write on training forms
“This hour had 6 planes. It taught the trainee nothing but did waste an hour of their allotted hours, but at least we get to make the people in Washington happy.”