Envoy (Eagle) Passes TA

BobDDuck said:
Who do you think the "ALPA" that is negotiating these contracts is exactly?

It's YOUR people that YOU nominated/elected/supported. It's not some amorphous group of guys in suites at a table in Herndon. Sure, National has a bargaining policy, and yes, they do supply a contract administrator. But at the end of the day it was Envoy pilots sitting across the table from the company and it was Envoy pilots who agreed the deal was good and it was Envoy pilots who voted yes and passed the thing. Just like at every other place.

Man the hell up, take responsibility for your pilot group's actions and get ready for the next challenge you are going to face.
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I don't work for Envoy, I'm upset with the situation their pilots were put in that made such a poor contract seem to be a good idea.

My posts are nothing more than empathetic frustration
 
I'm done flaming PSA and those like them. I won't sit here and be angry at Envoy, but I will say I am absolutely appalled that in this day and age where the main lines are make high hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter, that they are still able to successfully get concessions from regional pilots. Sickening
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
I'm done flaming PSA and those like them. I won't sit here and be angry at Envoy, but I will say I am absolutely appalled that in this day and age where the main lines are make high hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter, that they are still able to successfully get concessions from regional pilots. Sickening
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I think it's a matter of poker. The brand wants feed at a certain number, there are a variety of bidders to serve that feed and the chips fall where they may.

Personally, the only way it's going to change is with regional consolidation where there aren't little micro-Napoleons running amok underbidding one another and trying to get costs in line.

Ultimately, we want more high paying jobs. But having a menagerie of airlines bidding for the same flying isn't going to help the industry meet that end.
 
ian said:
So when will the ones that talked the most trash about PSA and PDT be apologizing?
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Good luck on that one. Everything I've seen they've just invented new excuses.

Skyvector said:
No, you are not reading that right at all.

Under current contract we were slated to shrink to 68 E-145s in 2 years. 68 older, unprofitable aircraft AA no longer wants.

Under the new contract it is 40 E-175s plus the 68 E-145s plus the options on additional E-175s.
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Yeah I'd like to see this too. Just to be clear, if it said 68 145's in the last contract or pre-MOU (whatever you want to call this), it does not mean that's still valid. Everything I had hear it was just straight 40 175 commitment, plus the options. If not, I apologize. However, let's say you guys are keeping the 145's. Doesn't that go against everything management has said so far? I mean the whole point after all was to make PSA the CRJ operator, and PDT whatever (145's and/or Envoy 175's), and Envoy, the E-Jet operator. They want a single fleet type I thought?
 
mojo6911 said:
Haven't you been at your regional less than a year?
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Yep.

Are you insinuating that my lack of seniority makes my opinions worthless? I'm upset of the downward spiral of the career. this isn't about me.

I feel for those who have seniority and several years being hammered.
 
Ajax said:
Yep.

Are you insinuating that my lack of seniority makes my opinions worthless? I'm upset of the downward spiral of the career. this isn't about me.

I feel for those who have seniority and several years being hammered.
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I'd say that your opinion is heavily weighted by what you hear in Houston.
 
propsync said:
For that matter what about Republic pilots holding the line?
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Republic pilots are not holding the line. In order to hold the line you need some sort of a contract to vote on, not a swiss cheese joke that they got earlier this year. What they are really doing is getting abused by management, who couldn't care less about them. Management that is shutting down profitable airplanes in order to staff more profitable airplanes. That's Bedford's solution for the hiring issues.

Trust me on this one, most people on this forum have no idea how bad Republic's current contract is, or how bad management is treating that pilot group. PSA's contract and Eagle's contract, are light years ahead of the Republic's contract in term of quality of life and soft pay. Light years.

That that being said I have no idea what the future holds for Republic pilots. As a former employee of RAH, I can tell you that the pilot group is amazing, and management is just as good at being abusive.

Good bless.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
all these agreements are like giving a back alley BJ for a McDonalds hamburger when you could very easily wait for in and out/five guys to open. At some point you're doing it just because you like giving BJs
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Wait what???? Eagle just voted in BJ's and free burgers???
 
pilotdw said:
Are you sure thats not from you guys taking advantage of SAP and picking up CCP? I can't see this lasting forever eventually they won't be able to afford to pay such insane wages. It will be interesting as to the tactic they use to stop you from taking advantage of SAP.
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The Sap is what makes everything. You can make it what you want it to be. Work the system and pick up on critical days for bank, or sap down and enjoy 18 days off and still almost clear guarantee. I've only been here right at a year, but I'm bringing home well more than what I was anticipating.
 
CLTflyer said:
The Sap is what makes everything. You can make it what you want it to be. Work the system and pick up on critical days for bank, or sap down and enjoy 18 days off and still almost clear guarantee. I've only been here right at a year, but I'm bringing home well more than what I was anticipating.
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It's called the ILIW at XJT. If they knew you had it at PSA they'd realize how good your contract was.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
PSA pilots didn't vote to keep their jobs. They exchanged pay/QOL items to secure a growth fleet plan and a flow program to US/AA. But common sense dictates that regional growth is pretty much done, so any planes one gets is MOST likely coming from another regional. In this case, Eagle/Envoy.
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One of the more uninformed, non-factual posts I've read in a while.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
If you guys would put the E75, an airplane that has little business in the grubby hands of rehabilitated prop trash like me, on the mainline contract and certificate, that would be great. If I ran (large national pilots' union), my biggest priority would be scope recapture.
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This. The moment I can cast a vote at a mainline carrier, my priorities will be as follows.

1) Scope
2) Scope
3) Scope
4) Scope
5) Anything else
 
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pete2800 said:
This. The moment I can cast a vote at a mainline carrier, my priorities will be as follows.

1) Scope
2) Scope
3) Scope
4) Scope
5) Anything else
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That is where a lot of us were several years ago. And then the wonderful RJDC felt CRJ-50s were the future and scope was "predatory".

Those guys got a fat check.
 
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