Envoy CRJ700 climb airspeed

[woodreau]

230 to 1800 AFE? That is just asking for trouble.

If stabilized is 500 then I agree, but you can't get it by 1000 from 250 at the marker.

You have to be on glide slope. You can't be high. descending on a 3 degree glide path at flight idle the -700 doesn't accelerate or decelerate. It stays at what ever airspeed you are at when you start the 3 degree descent on the glideslope. I'll fly 250 and slow to 230 to intercept and descend on the glideslope at 230kts.

If you're heavy or a tailwind, Flap 1-8-20 come out at 2000ft AGL so that's 7 mile final (not the outer marker). If you're light you can hold off until about 1800ft AGL (6 mile final) before flaps 1-8-20. Gear at 220 the rest of the flaps at the appropriate speed. Other than the engines not being spoiled up it will be on speed on glide slope by 1000ft AGL bring the thrust levers up to zero the speed trend vector and get the stable criteria.

 

[CFIscare]

If stabilized is 500 then I agree, but you can't get it by 1000 from 250 at the marker.

Eagle was 500 until last Thursday for a visual approach. Now we are 1,000.

 

[dasleben]

Why fly so fast? I drive it like a grandmother. Doesn't take any extra time, really.

 

[crfguy51]

You have to be on glide slope. You can't be high. descending on a 3 degree glide path at flight idle the -700 doesn't accelerate or decelerate. It stays at what ever airspeed you are at when you start the 3 degree descent on the glideslope. I'll fly 250 and slow to 230 to intercept and descend on the glideslope at 230kts.

If you're heavy or a tailwind, Flap 1-8-20 come out at 2000ft AGL so that's 7 mile final (not the outer marker). If you're light you can hold off until about 1800ft AGL (6 mile final) before flaps 1-8-20. Gear at 220 the rest of the flaps at the appropriate speed. Other than the engines not being spoiled up it will be on speed on glide slope by 1000ft AGL bring the thrust levers up to zero the speed trend vector and get the stable criteria.

My head hit the seat in front of me just reading this.

 

[CFIscare]

My head hit the seat in front of me just reading this.

There is nothing abrupt in what he said.

 

[crfguy51]

There is nothing abrupt in what he said.

Call it whatever you want. But, it's not smooth.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

Call it whatever you want. But, it's not smooth.

You wouldn't notice it at all. Nice try though.

 

[B767]

Used to do it all the time on the 145. Wasn't terrible. But we always used the RA at Eagle. Since I've switched airlines, we don't use the RA so much anymore. It's all based on AFE not AGL. Going into some of the places we take the planes, going off the RA only, you will NOT be stable at 1000' AFE. RA could say 1000' but you're truly only 7-800' AFE.

 

[crfguy51]

You wouldn't notice it at all. Nice try though.

I disagree.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

I disagree.

So? If you haven't sat up front watching a crew do it, there is no way you can tell in the back what is happening. You may disagree, but you're still wrong.

The biggest problem with this approach is if all stable criteria are filled but thrust is unspooled at 1000, it's a mandatory go-around.

 

[crfguy51]

So? If you haven't sat up front watching a crew do it, there is no way you can tell in the back what is happening. You may disagree, but you're still wrong.

The biggest problem with this approach is if all stable criteria are filled but thrust is unspooled at 1000, it's a mandatory go-around.

I fly the airplane.

Some of the worst hacked up approaches I've witnessed might have checked every box in the SOP but it's anything but smooth. Tying to tell me people "don't even notice" is pretty funny.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

I fly the airplane.

Some of the worst hacked up approaches I've witnessed might have checked every box in the SOP but it's anything but smooth. Tying to tell me people "don't even notice" is pretty funny.

So is implying that configuring on speeds at idle thrust is analogous to max braking on the runway.

 

[crfguy51]

No. Where did I say that?

I said it's not smooth.

You said people don't notice the difference.

I guarantee they would.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

No. Where did I say that?

I said it's not smooth.

You said people don't notice the difference.

I guarantee they would.

"My head hit the seat in front of me just reading this."

 

[Dugie8]

Why fly so fast? I drive it like a grandmother. Doesn't take any extra time, really.

This. Other than ATC asking for the help, why is everyone in such a hurry. The food is just as bad in ATL as it is in ORD.

 

[crfguy51]

"My head hit the seat in front of me just reading this."

Where did I say anything about max brake applications?

I was referring to selecting flaps 1-8-20 at 230, and the gear down at 220. Scrubbing (at some weights over 100 knots) before 500AFE.

 

[Rocketman99]

Why? I have done 250 to the maker and still had not problem meeting stabilized approach criteria. Now they just changed our stabilized criteria and I will not be able to do it any more.

Really? Our new stabilized approach criteria are so vague there basically aren't any. I've re-read the section many times and I still am not really sure what the hell it's talking about. I guess that solves the problem of having potentially too many unstabilized approaches in FOQA?

 

[jynxyjoe]

Really? Our new stabilized approach criteria are so vague there basically aren't any. I've re-read the section many times and I still am not really sure what the hell it's talking about. I guess that solves the problem of having potentially too many unstabilized approaches in FOQA?

Thus Endeavor still?

 

[Rocketman99]

Thus Endeavor still?

Ja.

It's basically no descents over 1000 fpm below 1000' and "on speed" by 500.

 

[X-Forces]

Is it go-home leg? That's barber pole minus 1 knot.

Barber pole minus 1 knot??

No, Barber pole minus 0 knots!! Slacker!

(If you're not clacking, you're slacking)