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Delta management has absolutely zero interest in a Flow for the EDV pilots. Their only interest is in getting those 35 large RJs back. They simply need "buy-in" from the current EDV pilots to deliver this TA which in their mind re-establishes the provisions of DALPA's LOA 9 and gets their precious RJs back (We'll see about that)

Why would they waste their time on future EDV pilots when they already consider the current ones as simply pawns
 
Get-home-itis said:
Delta management has absolutely zero interest in a Flow for the EDV pilots. Their only interest is in getting those 35 large RJs back. They simply need "buy-in" from the current EDV pilots to deliver this TA which in their mind re-establishes the provisions of DALPA's LOA 9 and gets their precious RJs back (We'll see about that)

Why would they waste their time on future EDV pilots when they already consider the current ones as simply pawns
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Yeah, clearly, this is what the goal was. It's a play to get the 35 RJs going and the price of having to take maybe 120 flows before the arbitrator gets rid of it. Either way, it doesn't really cost Endeavor pilots anything.
 
It's a nice attempt by management thinking let's just replace Compass with Endeavor, you have flow down again, give us the 35 RJ'S back that we never took away anyways :)

I'm sure it doesn't need to be stated but I wouldn't pick or bank my regional choice on flow. Good back pocket alternative if your name actually gets called. Some people think it's a guaranteed system and they will be sitting in their brand new Camar... I mean 787 in 6 years.

Endeavor is a good regional though, so if you choose to go there I think you'll be in good hands.
 
Get-home-itis said:
Delta management has absolutely zero interest in a Flow for the EDV pilots. Their only interest is in getting those 35 large RJs back. They simply need "buy-in" from the current EDV pilots to deliver this TA which in their mind re-establishes the provisions of DALPA's LOA 9 and gets their precious RJs back (We'll see about that)

Why would they waste their time on future EDV pilots when they already consider the current ones as simply pawns
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Honest question. Why would Delta pilots want to give 35 more large RJs to give EDV a flow? Do Delta guys really care in what process pilots get hired at Delta, is that worth 35 more RJs?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Honest question. Why would Delta pilots want to give 35 more large RJs to give EDV a flow? Do Delta guys really care in what process pilots get hired at Delta, is that worth 35 more RJs?
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Where did you put it together we want to give up scope for flow?
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Outsider. No clue, I thought the deal was allowing 35 more big RJs for an EDV flow. What’s the actual deal?
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There was an LOA between Compass, Delta, and DALPA that allowed a flow from Compass to Delta and allowed a flow back from Delta to Compass. There is a clause about having to reduce the amount of RJs by 35 if Compass went out of business. That happened and Delta wanted the 35 RJs back to get through the summer. They have decided that they can replace Compass with Endeavor unilaterally and DALPA doesn't see it that way.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Outsider. No clue, I thought the deal was allowing 35 more big RJs for an EDV flow. What’s the actual deal?
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Well there isn't any deal, our ALPA wasn't involved in any negiotations. Delta lost the 35 RJ'S when Compass dissolved and their solution to get those back was form a flow with Endeavor so we could get "flow down" back and just assume they could avoid a pilot vote or the pilots would care, I guess. Kind of funny when we needed the flow down, it wasn't there. So trying to sell that again for 35 RJ'S has absolutely zero chance. But just like get-home-itis stated, flow isn't about progressing 9E pilots to mainline. We all know what this is about.... The 35 RJ'S
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
There was an LOA between Compass, Delta, and DALPA that allowed a flow from Compass to Delta and allowed a flow back from Delta to Compass. There is a clause about having to reduce the amount of RJs by 35 if Compass went out of business. That happened and Delta wanted the 35 RJs back to get through the summer. They have decided that they can replace Compass with Endeavor unilaterally and DALPA doesn't see it that way.
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I mean....... Should anyone see it that way? Even 9E pilots who want flow shouldn't be rooting for less mainline jobs.
 
tcco94 said:
I mean....... Should anyone see it that way? Even 9E pilots who want flow shouldn't be rooting for less mainline jobs.
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Yeah, but it seems like they were just going to shop this around to another carrier, so if we didn't take it, someone else would have. It gives our senior guys a chance to flow. Really, it isn't our job to die on the cross for scope, it shouldn't have been given away in the first place. Either way, I put in my notice at Endeavor and will be moving on. This mess aside, I have really nothing but good things to say about the company in general.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
There was an LOA between Compass, Delta, and DALPA that allowed a flow from Compass to Delta and allowed a flow back from Delta to Compass. There is a clause about having to reduce the amount of RJs by 35 if Compass went out of business. That happened and Delta wanted the 35 RJs back to get through the summer. They have decided that they can replace Compass with Endeavor unilaterally and DALPA doesn't see it that way.
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tcco94 said:
Well there isn't any deal, our ALPA wasn't involved in any negiotations. Delta lost the 35 RJ'S when Compass dissolved and their solution to get those back was form a flow with Endeavor so we could get "flow down" back and just assume they could avoid a pilot vote or the pilots would care, I guess. Kind of funny when we needed the flow down, it wasn't there. So trying to sell that again for 35 RJ'S has absolutely zero chance. But just like get-home-itis stated, flow isn't about progressing 9E pilots to mainline. We all know what this is about.... The 35 RJ'S
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I appreciate the explanation, this makes sense. Thank you. Last question, is this something DALPA (or the pilot group?) can vote on? Or is this like a grievance coming up situation?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I appreciate the explanation, this makes sense. Thank you. Last question, is this something DALPA (or the pilot group?) can vote on? Or is this like a grievance coming up situation?
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From my understanding flow programs don't require pilot votes because the hiring process isn't our say. I'm all for it. But tieing together 35 RJ'S on scope brings DALPA into the picture and would require a vote because that'd would be us giving up scope back to pre-pandemic levels. Which right now is being violated ever since Compass dissolved. It sounds like if company decides to go through with it then there will be an expedited grievance to an arbitrator. It's all relatively new so not sure what will happen in the coming months. Very unusual strategy by management to just completely ignore DALPA, not include them, and then think adding scope is going to work.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I appreciate the explanation, this makes sense. Thank you. Last question, is this something DALPA (or the pilot group?) can vote on? Or is this like a grievance coming up situation?
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DALPA believes they should be a party to this, since it's a new carrier. It will likely be settled or go to arbitration.
 
DALPA has stated they support the decision to help 9E pilots with flow and don't even need to be included in that. Only reason DALPA wants a seat at the table and deserves said seat at the table is because management decided to talk about scope included in the flow agreement. Which is why we circle back to what is this really all about? The 35 RJ'S. Sadly 9E pilots are being used in the process. I hope a flow agreement is reached without needing an agreement on scope.
 
What happens to the current endeavor pilots who never made it in the SSP / were rejected?
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
Everyone will flow in seniority order for as long as this thing goes, even those guys, at a rate of 20/mo.
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Nice! Got some former buds that got the no and couldn’t interview again from delta (I believe). Glad to see they got some progression.
 
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