Emirates A380 Moscow landing incident
- Thread starter ChasenSFO
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10 Years ago it was somewhat appealing because they were hiring like crazy and the US airlines were not. I know several of my friends that tried the Skybus trainwreck that went over to the ME3 because they were willing to hire them with their Airbus types. I don't know of anyone going over there now and I'm pretty sure everyone has since come back.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I've never met a former Emirates pilot who had nice things to say about their time at the company(which says a lot given the tax free pay and free housing), but recently I ran into a former Skywest pilot that I knew from my time there who managed to go from EMB-120 captain to 777 F/O in his mid-20s and is now on the A380 about 5 years later. In the 5 minutes we chatted about it, all he talked about was how many hot single flight attendants(unless I am mistaken, they must be single) there are and how his life is essentially a porno and every layover is a party. Granted he's probably 30 and a good looking guy who was non-reving with a different model looking chick whenever I saw him off-duty at SFO, so I guess if that is the life you want while you rack up widebody time, go for it. If you're there to have a good time, not being able to get drunk in Dubai is not a problem, since you're barely home it seems.
Otherwise, given the QOL and the fact they tend to fire pilots for anything that makes the news, doesn't look like a nice place to work unless A380s get your pecker torped.
Bear
Well-Known Member
There shouldn't be a moat, but you have separate sections such as training/standards and safety for a reason. Because there are areas that may go hand in hand here, is why there should be a memo from each concurrently, in a perfect world. Not everything day-to-day though crosses over between the two, hence why each stepping on the others' toes isn't the best thing to have happen. But on things that are concurrent, they should be working hand in hand.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
What? You don't speak Dubainglish?
PJ O'Rourke used to say one of the fun things about travel was going to places that don't speak English and making fun of the English they don't speak there.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The "official" language of Emirates (the airlines) is English. No translation to that letter.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Ah, then they are doing the "modifier bop".
flightprofessor
Well-Known Member
Or sabotage..
I've heard strange tales 'bout Mideastern airlines.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
Beat me too it. Classic classic reasoning. Do you know how many times I've rad an email like that? "What are we doing wrong? What can we do better? Lets try something different with training". Maybe you should look at schedules and fatigue. Having said that......WTF were these guys doing letting that thing get to 400' AGL before initiating a go around in VMC. whatever happened to stabilized by 1000'. I kept waiting to read that they were IMC. yikes.Of course, not a single comment on schedules, fatigue, and circadian swaps with day/night shifts mixed into a line.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
That gets old REAL fast.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
That's like the FAA when there was that spate of controllers falling asleep on the midshift. Their fix was to require 9 hours between shifts starting on different days. What they didn't touch at all was only needing 8 hours between shifts that start the same day, so we still start our midshift 8 hours after our last shift. And then they wonder why mistakes happen.
A lot of companies have a "stable by 1000'/if not by 500' go around, but I'd imagine these guys over there, with their labor laws have a lot more pressure than we do to "get it right the first time, or else".
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well just keep in mind before we go off the rails on Emirates, that one of the most experienced western airlines Air Canada with a 20,000 hr CA and 10,000 hr FO almost planted an A320 on 3 widebodies in VMC before going around and missing a plane tail by 60 feet...
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
Well I don't know if I'd classify night over mostly water as vmc. I wasn't trying to say it's an emirates problem but rather a cockpit crew mishap.
Nark
Macho Superpilot
If you don't count the backdrop of California's fourth largest city as a horizon reference during night VMC, can't really help you.
mrivc211
Well-Known Member
We've all been on that approach at night. If you factor in the length of duty time, hours you've been awake, and that 50% of what you see is black because its water it doesn't matter whats in the backdrop(everything is surrounded by lots of water). The second point I'm trying to make is when the backdrop (as you mentioned) does appear, KSFO pretty much blends right in with it. If you're tired it can easily happen. No ones perfect. Being tired is worse than being drunk. Being tired is being impaired.
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Nark
Macho Superpilot
Want to reopen the SFO Air Canada debacle, sure.
Taking off of LAX, perhaps, I'll buy your argument. SFO... no.
In a gosh darn Airbus no less, a plane which I'm very familiar with.
I've had my share of "black hole approaches." And will argue, VMC landing to SFO 28's isn't one of them.
You can still fly transport jets...like, I dunno... a plane...
So there I was: one of the last flights I flew the Airbus: Latrobe, PA. I did a no-poop visual traffic pattern, at night, and didn't die. Further, I didn't even set off the eGPWS. Bitching Betté didn't even say a word either.
Am I amazing? I tell my girlfriend that all the time, but I'm really not.
The fancy French jet, flies just like my Stinson.
Taking off of LAX, perhaps, I'll buy your argument. SFO... no.
In a gosh darn Airbus no less, a plane which I'm very familiar with.
I've had my share of "black hole approaches." And will argue, VMC landing to SFO 28's isn't one of them.
You can still fly transport jets...like, I dunno... a plane...
So there I was: one of the last flights I flew the Airbus: Latrobe, PA. I did a no-poop visual traffic pattern, at night, and didn't die. Further, I didn't even set off the eGPWS. Bitching Betté didn't even say a word either.
Am I amazing? I tell my girlfriend that all the time, but I'm really not.
The fancy French jet, flies just like my Stinson.
