Emirates 777 Rough Landing in Dubai

Vertical video people!

Seriously though, what a great job by the crew to get everybody out quickly and unharmed! Incredible job by all and a real testament to what a well trained crew can do in such intense situations! Scary to see that slide blow away though! What do you even do at that point?
 
typhoonpilot said:
If it was a night turn, then yes. The TRV night turn is nasty. Basically a 1am pick-up from home; 3am takeoff; 4 hours there; hour plus on the ground; and 4 hours back to land around noon-1pm.
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Holy crap! I knew their schedules were bad, but didn't know these existed. That is just bad things waiting to happen.

They used to do redeye "tag ons" in the states, but after a number of near accidents, they were killed by all the majors. That TRV turn is many magnitudes beyond that!
 
Mark815 said:
Scary to see that slide blow away though! What do you even do at that point?
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Use another exit. It's all you can do. Sometimes things are just unlucky like that with regards to winds vs where the aircraft ends up.

Good job from ARFF rolling in and covering the exits. I'm curious about the death of a firefighter, an unusual occurance in ARFF operations.
 
MikeD said:
Use another exit. It's all you can do. Sometimes things are just unlucky like that with regards to winds vs where the aircraft ends up.

Good job from ARFF rolling in and covering the exits. I'm curious about the death of a firefighter, an unusual occurance in ARFF operations.
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If you see the video I posted, it looks like there was a sudden explosion of the wing that threw huge pieces of debris. That could have been the cause.
 
thevideographer said:
If you see the video I posted, it looks like there was a sudden explosion of the wing that threw huge pieces of debris. That could have been the cause.
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Ah. I missed that second link you had there.

Indeed a large explosion. Hard to tell from the distance, but it appears at least one unit is working on that side of the aircraft. Can't tell if a piece of aircraft either landed on a truck or a dismounted firefighter.
 
kaudbron said:
Also, the 7110.65 directs civilian Towers to "check wheels down" for military aircraft. Useage may vary...
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No. It doesn't. Paragraph 2-1-24 only applies to US Army, Air Force, and Navy control towers, as you can see by the "USA/USAF/USN" notation below. And as a former Air Force and FAA controller, I can tell you that the "Wheels Down" check applied to all aircraft under control of an Army, Air Force, or Navy tower regardless of whether the aircraft was military or civilian, but only applied to FAA control towers in one region back in the '70s when that region's administrator once landed gear up and made it a mandate until he was subsequently replaced.

2−1−24. WHEELS DOWN CHECK

USA/USAF/USN

Remind aircraft to check wheels down on each
approach unless the pilot has previously reported
wheels down for that approach.

And from paragraph 1-2-5. ANNOTATIONS, subparagraph e.:

e. The annotation, USAF for the U.S. Air Force,
USN for the U.S. Navy, and USA for the U.S. Army
denotes that the procedure immediately following the
annotation applies only to the designated service.
 
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RDoug said:
No. It doesn't. Paragraph 2-1-24 only applies to US Army, Air Force, and Navy control towers, as you can see by the "USA/USAF/USN" notation below. And as a former Air Force and FAA controller, I can tell you that the "Wheels Down" check applied to all aircraft under control of an Army, Air Force, or Navy tower regardless of whether the aircraft was military or civilian, but only applied to FAA control towers in one region back in the '70s when that region's administrator once landed gear up and made it a mandate until he was subsequently replaced.

2−1−24. WHEELS DOWN CHECK

USA/USAF/USN

Remind aircraft to check wheels down on each
approach unless the pilot has previously reported
wheels down for that approach.

And from paragraph 1-2-5. ANNOTATIONS, subparagraph e.:

e. The annotation, USAF for the U.S. Air Force,
USN for the U.S. Navy, and USA for the U.S. Army
denotes that the procedure immediately following the
annotation applies only to the designated service.
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So here is how I have applied 2-1-24 ... FAA Civilian Tower- military aircraft in the pattern, do the wheel check. This is how my FAA Tower operated. (Not saying it is correct) I see how the intent could be for Army/Navy/Air Force Controllers to querry for wheels down check not for FAA controllers to ask military aircraft. As a mil pilot I have had civilian Controllers wheel check me. Re: 1-2-5... Does it apply to designated service aircraft or controllers?
 
typhoonpilot said:
Dang


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Glad everyone got out okay.

Local captain and Irish F.O. from what I hear. A6-EMW was a 777-300.

Still have a lot of faith in the pilot group as a whole, but the holes in the swiss cheese lined up on this one.


Typhoonpilot
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Good on you for being self deprecating following your earlier post. Bad timing I suppose.
 
Murdoughnut said:
Good on you for being self deprecating following your earlier post. Bad timing I suppose.
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I don't think @typhoonpilot needs to be eating crow. He was validating the training department, which he had intimate knowledge, not fatigue. Fatigue is a nasty mother and the scarier part is early onset is hard to detect. Add the other stressors of company discipline, pay loss, possible termination, etc and the small problem becomes big quickly!
 
Acute fatigue is bad enough. But chronic fatigue will creep up on anyone and everyone, and often manifest itself at the worst possible time; and no amount of the standard counter-fatigue remedies...which only mask it anyway....will help. Not saying that it was a factor here in this accident as I don't know, just a general comment on no one being immune if the circumstances are right.
 
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