Emirates 777 Rough Landing in Dubai

1-2-5e. merely specifies the nomenclature used in the .65 to denote those procedures applicable only to military control towers.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I did appreciate that NW/DL pilots were the worst he encountered in the schoolhouse. Good thing we merged!
Click to expand...


Not intentionally picking on either group. I was actually quite surprised how much trouble pilots from those two groups had at EK. There were some who did really well, but the number that had issues was a pretty high percentage of the sample size as compared to the other pilot groups from the U.S. carriers. And I was just speaking about U.S. carriers. There were entire pilot groups from airlines all over the world that EK would not hire because they saw enough failed interviews that they just stopped inviting them.

TP
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Holy crap! I knew their schedules were bad, but didn't know these existed. That is just bad things waiting to happen.

They used to do redeye "tag ons" in the states, but after a number of near accidents, they were killed by all the majors. That TRV turn is many magnitudes beyond that!
Click to expand...


Trips like that are a big part of the operation to the Sub-Continent. Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar, Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Cochin, Hyderabad, Bangalore, etc all have some variation of a night turn-around flight. The main departure times for those are either 10pm or 3am. I avoided them like the plague, which was easy to do for many years on the B777, especially in the training department. They were mostly flown on the A330 in the early years. That's changed now and they are mostly on the B777. A lot of B777 captains have gone to the A380, in part for the better trips of the A380.

That said, I am now being told that this particular accident trip had a 29 hour layover in TRV. That means the crew should have been well rested for a shortish 4 hour flight back to Dubai on a 8:35 AM Dubai time departure from TRV.



TP
 
For whatever it's worth, I jumpseated (sat?) on a Republic E175 and talking to the crew inflight, the FO himself told me (as audible to my ears) that he went to the WIA job fair and saw Delta, and a recruiter told him (the FO) that he was a tier 2 candidate and explained what he meant by it. Combination of things including aircraft experience, total time, PIC, education.

I'm not denying you Derg, just that this is the 2nd time now I've heard directly from word-of-mouth of those who attended a job fair about a potential tier system at Delta. So they're perhaps correct, potentially misheard, or are perhaps embellishing/lying :D
 
RDoug said:
No. It doesn't. Paragraph 2-1-24 only applies to US Army, Air Force, and Navy control towers, as you can see by the "USA/USAF/USN" notation below. And as a former Air Force and FAA controller, I can tell you that the "Wheels Down" check applied to all aircraft under control of an Army, Air Force, or Navy tower regardless of whether the aircraft was military or civilian, but only applied to FAA control towers in one region back in the '70s when that region's administrator once landed gear up and made it a mandate until he was subsequently replaced.

2−1−24. WHEELS DOWN CHECK

USA/USAF/USN

Remind aircraft to check wheels down on each
approach unless the pilot has previously reported
wheels down for that approach.

And from paragraph 1-2-5. ANNOTATIONS, subparagraph e.:

e. The annotation, USAF for the U.S. Air Force,
USN for the U.S. Navy, and USA for the U.S. Army
denotes that the procedure immediately following the
annotation applies only to the designated service.
Click to expand...
That's all FAA and US military. Which couldn't be more irrelevant when discussing the UAE.

I've not been to Dubai, but Abu Dhabi always gives some iteration of check gear down cleared to land much like the military airports I've been to in the US. I would imagine it'd be the same at all UAE airports.
 
CFI A&P said:
Negative. At least in the US, unless it is a joint use field, although I have heard it from some foreign towers.
Click to expand...

The FAA's Southwest region said Check Wheels Down to all aircraft in the late 70's and 80's after the regions Director landed gear up. Not sure when that stopped.
 
fholbert said:
The FAA's Southwest region said Check Wheels Down to all aircraft in the late 70's and 80's after the regions Director landed gear up. Not sure when that stopped.
Click to expand...

That had stopped some time before I got to El Paso, which was back in August, 1981,
 
RDoug said:
That had stopped some time before I got to El Paso, which was back in August, 1981,
Click to expand...

Not much before. They were still saying Check Wheels Down in 1979. Assume they were still saying it in 1980 but I'm not positive.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Holy crap! I knew their schedules were bad, but didn't know these existed. That is just bad things waiting to happen.

They used to do redeye "tag ons" in the states, but after a number of near accidents, they were killed by all the majors. That TRV turn is many magnitudes beyond that!
Click to expand...

Yeah. That has bad idea written all over it. Fly a red eye or augmented through the whole night or fly either one of those two legs. None of this night turn crap (freight hub turns). That crap will kill you.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Yeah. That has bad idea written all over it. Fly a red eye or augmented through the whole night or fly either one of those two legs. None of this night turn crap (freight hub turns). That crap will kill you.
Click to expand...

We do Pongo turns that are a bit like that. Leave HNL at 5pm, get down there at 10pm, sit for 2 hours, leave at Midnight and land in HNL at 5am. It's done augmented, but still sounds kind of rough.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
For whatever it's worth, I jumpseated (sat?) on a Republic E175 and talking to the crew inflight, the FO himself told me (as audible to my ears) that he went to the WIA job fair and saw Delta, and a recruiter told him (the FO) that he was a tier 2 candidate and explained what he meant by it. Combination of things including aircraft experience, total time, PIC, education.

I'm not denying you Derg, just that this is the 2nd time now I've heard directly from word-of-mouth of those who attended a job fair about a potential tier system at Delta. So they're perhaps correct, potentially misheard, or are perhaps embellishing/lying :D
Click to expand...

I can assure that he loaded you with a specious story.

And, on the next episode of "Ghost Hunters"...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top