Don't read your C172 manuals on American...
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Aero_Engineer
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Just crazy and nasty racial profiling. I bet if it was a blonde haired American middle aged man with the pilot must have "moustache" of his reading the same material while sipping on his Jack & Coke no one would absolutely CARE.
WHY?
Becasue we always think we are the GOOD GUYS!!!! Ya right.
WHY?
Becasue we always think we are the GOOD GUYS!!!! Ya right.
mpenguin1
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Aero_Engineer said:
The only bad guys are the stupid terrorists that have changed the way we think.
Yes, had the same group of people had blonde hair with blue eyes, the passengers would have never given them a 2nd thought, yet, none of the 9/11 terrorist had blonde hair.
One of my pilots right after 9/11 went across the border to Mexico for some fun, he had about $1200 US dollar in his pocket, when he crossed the border to Mexico, he had a one time entry visa into the United Stated.
When he tried to enter back into the US, he was detained, and they asked what was he doing, he said that he was in the US for Flight Training, oh yeah, he had a Saudi Passport.
Had something like this happened prior to 9/11, he would have probably gotten a slap on the hand, since it happened after 9/11, he was in jail for about a week.
Chris_Ford
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Aero_Engineer said:
It's just as classless for you to blame white people as it is for white people to blame brown people.
SUSPilot
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Back when I was interviewing for jobs. I got the special check on a trip down to Atlanta to interview with ASA. The TSA agent looked in my overnight bag which had logbooks, an airplane POH, an ATP written study guide, and the letter from ASA inviting me to interveiw. And the guy questioned why I had the stuff in my bag.
ColMustard
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The optimistic side of me hopes that there was more to the story than paranoid pax that saw "stereotypical terrorists" (if there is such a thing) reading airplane manuals.
The realistic side of me doesn't underestimate how overly dramatic the general public can get. I'm starting to wonder who is in charge of the aircraft during flight nowadays. The pilots or the marshals?
-ColM
The realistic side of me doesn't underestimate how overly dramatic the general public can get. I'm starting to wonder who is in charge of the aircraft during flight nowadays. The pilots or the marshals?
-ColM
tonyw
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Because reading a POH makes you a terrorist, right?frog_flyer said:
Oh, god! This whole website is full a terrarists!
mpenguin1 said:
And that's the way it should be today. If you think for one second that al Qaeda is going to try the airplane trick again, you're smoking something that will get your medical yanked.
They are not stupid, which is why they pulled off September 11. They know it won't work.
Chris_Ford
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John Herreshoff said:
I'm sick of people who think that simply because one is white that he never gets stopped for anything ever.
This is no exaggeration:
EVERY flight I have gone on since 9/11, I have been "randomly selected" for secondary screening.
I doubt very many of you have had to do that as many times as I have. BTW, at the busier airports, it gets you through security faster at times [that must be why they're doing it, to help the white man!]
But I guess that must be because I throw up the dub at hockey games :whatever:
tonyw said:Because reading a POH makes you a terrorist, right?
Oh, god! This whole website is full a terrarists!
And that's the way it should be today. If you think for one second that al Qaeda is going to try the airplane trick again, you're smoking something that will get your medical yanked.
They are not stupid, which is why they pulled off September 11. They know it won't work.
Usually I don't get involved in the political back and forth, but the question has not been asked yet.......................
TonyW, Why Do You Hate America?
p.s.....you still up for the condo thing in Vegas? I have to find out what they want to reserve it. I know it's early, but better to get ti locked up now than stuck in a hotel room.
PGT
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now this would be creepy:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14249
i *think* i was sent to a extensive search at LHR last summer just cause I spoke a diff. language since all the people that got moved aside were non-english speaking.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14249
i *think* i was sent to a extensive search at LHR last summer just cause I spoke a diff. language since all the people that got moved aside were non-english speaking.
flyover
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tonyw said:
Not stupid, insane. And persistent. Here's some history on the start of jihad with the US.
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then serving as American ambassadors to France and Britain, respectively, met in 1786 in London with the Tripolitan Ambassador to Britain, Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja. These future American presidents were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty which would spare the United States the ravages of jihad piracy—murder, enslavement (with ransoming for redemption), and expropriation of valuable commercial assets—emanating from the Barbary states (modern Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, known collectively in Arabic as the Maghrib). During their discussions, they questioned Ambassador Adja as to the source of the unprovoked animus directed at the nascent United States republic. Jefferson and Adams, in their subsequent report to the Continental Congress, recorded the Tripolitan Ambassador’s justification:
… that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22314
tonyw
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flyover said:
Sure, they're insane. But they are smart.
Which is why they won't try the airplane trick again. It will not succeed -- hell, even on that day, the fourth one didn't succeed.
So when there are other vulnerabilities to exploit, why go back to trying the same thing again?
They are evil but they are too smart to do it again.
Chris_Ford
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The next thing they do will probably involve blowing up a PAX airliner, I just have this feeling. It's one of the few things that still is sort of overlooked in security, I think.tonyw said:
Edit: also with the reinforcing cockpit doors, it seems like it keeps people OUT, but it'll also keep people IN. Who knows if someone is going through all the flight training, just waiting to get on an airline, and then all of a sudden, one day, this plan goes to action and the people in the back are helpless. Pure speculation, of course.
tonyw
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Chris_Ford said:
Exactly. So, while you and I are taking off our shoes in the terminal, and people with POHs for helicopters are getting detained for questioning as are people who sing along to the Clash on a cabride over to the airport, guess what's happening?
The cargo that's going into the belly of the airplane is passing through unscreened.
Just imagine how many ground workers and others working for the airline/airport can cooperate to get explosives into an aircraft and etc. It is nearly impossible to prevent something from happening the way I see it.
Something needs to be done about the TSA. We complain that tax dollars are being wasted in "insert government program here" but overlook the ineffectiveness of the TSA.
Something needs to be done about the TSA. We complain that tax dollars are being wasted in "insert government program here" but overlook the ineffectiveness of the TSA.
Bandit_Driver
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BCTAv8r said:
That is the entire problem with Lowest Bidder. I think a better program would be actually have the police department run aiport security. All you would need to do is hire more police and let them work the streets one day and the airport the next. Nobody gets boared and you would then actually have a qualified person taking care of this and that takes their job seriously. If they have to, they can raise ticket prices a few bucks to pay for the cops salary. If the public complains, tough. Freedom and Security are not FREE.
I have seen police dogs that are smarter than some of the TSA people
SeanD
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I was in L.A last week for work and I have finals this week. I brought some of my books to study. I was affraid to study because I wasnt sure how people would look at it. I mean here is a guy sitting by himself in the terminal or on the airplane looking at " The Private Pilots Handook" with all sorts of figures and diagrams. I made the decision to hold off until I was away from the plane and airport.