Don't need a degree eh?

kellwolf said:
Don't know about his hot girlfriend, but I know his hot FIANCEE is pretty tolerant of him. :)

Having lived with him myself for an extended period of time, he's not really as self-absorbed as you think he is.....
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...or as self-absorbed as he'd like to mislead you to think he is!

Sorry to put your secret out on front street John! :D
 
toddnorrish said:
Regardless of the validity of your post Jtrain, you have got to be one of the most self absorbed people in this forum. How can your hot girlfriend stand your arrogance? Young man, I thought I had seen it all.
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Wow. . .

Nope, you haven't seen it all. You have a lot to see.
 
What bothers most people when it comes to college degrees is the fact that ultimately it adds very little to your piloting skill set, but with a huge cost.

I have a four year degree, and honestly I can't really see it being anywhere as valuable per dollar as my flight training was. I think it's very likely for a high time pilot to be a very capable airline captain without a college degree. I can also see a high time pilot who has a 4 year degree who can't do the job for crap.

A person trying to pursue a career in law is going to have zero chances trying to get hired at a law firm without a law degree. This is obvious. A person is not going to just walk in to an airline to get a job without nothing but a student certificate. What does a college degree prove about a pilot? "It proves you are disciplined to complete something like a degree program". Wouldn't passing systems training for a regional prove the same thing? Doesn't flying the line at a cargo outfit prove discipline?

It's a lot like that radio operator's permit that all pilots planning on going to Canada need to get. You fill out a form and mail it in along with a check and it's yours. That piece of paper doesn't make you a better employee, it doesn't make you a better pilot, it doesn't even make you a better person. Its just a $50 piece of paper that allows you to check a box on a job application. If you could get out of paying for a radio operators permit, would you try to get out of it? I see colege degrees the same way. If I were older with a lot of hours, and not having a college degree was holding me back, I don't think I'd bother getting it. Maybe if I really really really wanted a job that required a degree, or if there was something I really wanted to study, I wouldn't bother wasting the thousands of dollars just to check a box. There are plenty of employers out there who can look past college degrees and realize you can be a good pilot without 4 years of college.

And I don't really blame Airlines for requiring them either. I imagine it would be kind of a PR nightmare if passengers found out there are airlines that hire people to captain their jets who don't have a degree.
 
moxiepilot said:
Let me just add though, that not everyone has the same goals in aviation and that is where this falls short of addressing. I'm not disagreeing, just adding another facet to the thread.

Someone may do very well in this career without a college diploma or CFIing and make good money doing it. That may not be in the regionals or majors, but that is such a small facet of aviation with all the other opportunities out there too.

So, take the info with a grain of salt and do with it whatcha will
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Very good point.I agree. The way i see it, if you plan on going to a major,you need to get the degree. If not aiming for the majors,there are a lot of other flying positions out there that pay a lot more than instructing or flying for the regionals,with a lot better QOL. I can only speak for one of them,but it worked very good for me. As for the poster that talked about getting up and going to class,and studying for the big test,and all that other stuff that you experience in college,give me a break. And that last little bit of your post is B.S. In case you couldnt tell,I didnt go to college.Even though the name is Jet careers,There are some people on here that will never sit in front of a jet. T.C.
 
I yi yi

It's not difficult people.

The legacies and majors will always require a degree. . .if your goal is to end up there, set yourself up for success and have a damn 4 year degree. It doesn't have to be this difficult.

If you plan on staying at a regional, then whatever - your issue. Who gives a damn.

If you plan on moving on to the corporate side, and have connections, and you think you can be successful without a 4 year degree - then fine, WHATEVER.

But christ. . .it's not rocket science, if you want to work for the better paying companies you need to have the elements that will set you up to be competitive.

The End. . .enough.
 
And this subject has been discussed . . . hmm, I'd wager at least 50 times since I registered a year and a half ago.

Search function works great, and I'm sure you'll find a number of Degree threads in the hot topics section.
 
surreal1221 said:
And this subject has been discussed . . . hmm, I'd wager at least 50 times since I registered a year and a half ago.

Search function works great, and I'm sure you'll find a number of Degree threads in the hot topics section.
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So you're saying that the subject is popular/controversial enough to generate that much interest!?! Wow, then let's ban it! :sarcasm:

If you're tired of a topic feel free to just skip those threads.
 
nbv4 said:
What bothers most people when it comes to college degrees is the fact that ultimately it adds very little to your piloting skill set, but with a huge cost.
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No, but it does add quite a bit to your overall value to any employer.

Your average college grad makes over a million bucks more than your average high school grad over his career. If you say you're going to have a 40 year career, that's $25K a year.

That says something about the value of a degree to ANY employer.
 
Oh God. You and Chris Ford should play swords sometime and see who's is bigger.

Seriously do you have ATP mins? How about 1000tt? Did you ever even fly a single package for one second by yourself?

I'm sure your a cool dude to have a beer with and all but your posts come across as narcissistic and slightly odd.
 
Hootie said:
Oh God. You and Chris Ford should play swords sometime and see who's is bigger.

Seriously do you have ATP mins? How about 1000tt? Did you ever even fly a single package for one second by yourself?

I'm sure your a cool dude to have a beer with and all but your posts come across as narcissistic and slightly odd.
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Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I agree. There is some great advice in the original post, but the arrogance could have been toned down by about 1000.......
 
Ahh, college. Four awesome years.

Received some great flight instruction in well-maintained airplanes. Made some great friends. Attended [most] classes. Learned a lot, forgot a lot... Both about life and stuff in books. Made some mistakes. Caused some trouble. Drank a lot of beer. Talked to a lot of women, but dated just a few. Had a few road trips, and some fun over Spring Break. Learned how to manage my time, and learned how to waste time.

All in all, I am very happy I went to college. It is what worked for me, and did wonders for helping me mature. If you compare my posts when I first joined JetCareers to the day I graduated, you'll notice a gradual maturation process that I attribute to my time in school. I certainly would not be where I am today without it.

College isn't for everyone. Even so, I do recommend that everyone get a degree, just to have it. It opens doors... You might not need them opened, but it is comfortable to know that option is there. Why put limitations on where you can go?
 
surreal1221 said:
I yi yi

It's not difficult people.

The legacies and majors will always require a degree. . .if your goal is to end up there, set yourself up for success and have a damn 4 year degree. It doesn't have to be this difficult.
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I think you missed the point, which was to allow us to separate the worthy people from the troglodytes by seeing who has a degree and who doesn't. ;)

That and to post all the badass crap we've done.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
...or as self-absorbed as he'd like to mislead you to think he is!

Sorry to put your secret out on front street John! :D
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What can I say, I write extremely strongly. WTF do you expect after getting a degree in arguging? I make a bit more sense once you can understand the tone behind my posts. Until you actually meet somebody on these forums it's EXTREMELY hard to understand the tone behind their posts. I thought fly22 was the biggest condescending smart ass I had ever read, and then I met him and realized he's one of the biggest smart asses I've ever met and I can't get enough of the guy!

So to all the haters, hows about you actually how up to a meet and greet before attacking somebody. I'm even willing to give Velo the benefit of the doubt that he can't communicate online very well.
 
You can't go wrong with getting a degree. No matter if it takes you 4 years or 6 years just to get that degree, it's important to think of what you can do with it, and what you can get out of it. Sure, college isn't exactly cheap, but it's an investment, and it's an asset that is definatley going to help you in the long run. In essence, It practically pays for itself over time. As FlyChicaga said...why put limitations on yourself. You'll be glad you got it. The way things are going in the economy, you're going to need a degree just to survive out in the real world. So in all, when you have doubts about getting that degree because you are thinking about todays objectives, think about tomorrow, and the future just a bit, and you'll appreciate why you are in college getting that degree. I didn't hit on all the benefits of obtaining a degree, but that's just my $0.02.
 
tonyw said:
No, but it does add quite a bit to your overall value to any employer.

Your average college grad makes over a million bucks more than your average high school grad over his career. If you say you're going to have a 40 year career, that's $25K a year.

That says something about the value of a degree to ANY employer.
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And that's based on 1980's number crunchers who have GenX's mentality of going to college, specializing in Lockheed's Management program and working at Lockheed for the next 40 years.

It just doesn't happen any more.

It's kinda' like a bridge program - a lot of hype, but when you look back you realize you learned a little and spent a bunch of money for that :)
 
nice post, but isn't this what life is all about? especially when it comes to jobs?

to compete with the other person so they pick you instead of him?
 
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