Does anyone know the story here?

Roger Roger said:
You know, I have yet to live somewhere that I actually hated. Shoot, I haven't even visited many places I didn't like...either I've had good luck in my travels or I'm easily pleased.
For example, I just spent the weekend in Chicago...though I don't know that I'd like to live there, it is one heckuva fun city.
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Every time I go to a new place, I can always imagine living there.

But Southeast Alaska has my dreams after visiting a beaver pilot friend.

~Fox
 
Canassis said:
Professional guys (I include you in this, TF)... What would you do in this situation?
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Well. That's a loaded question. I feel as if I was never a big enough dumb a to pull a stunt like this, so I never would have had to face the situation.

However, IF I was somehow placed into the situation immediately AFTER it had unfolded to the point of the controller telling me to land, I'd remind them that I was PIC and I'd gladly exit the airspace, but I wouldn't be landing there.
 
Hacker15e said:
To be fair, the scheduling of a bunch of students in fast jets to arrive at a high-density international airport on friday night during the weekend arrival window (2000L) doesn't exactly set the stage for putting controllers in a good mood.
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True statement.

Hacker15e said:
My last experience was with a Saudi kid on his first night instrument ride rolling into KAFW with 10 other T-38s friday night at 8 pm.
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Always an entertaining combination. We had one or two good recordings on tapes in my class from similar adventures with Regional Approach.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Meh, maybe it was growing up in it, but everyone seems to cooperate and graduate pretty well with respect to traffic. Sort of a "yeah, this sucks, let's just get this over with" mentality. Although northern Cal where you were is an entirely different kind of driving, altogether.


I've got to be the only person in the whole state who hasn't.
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Couldn't agree more, grew up in Southern California and learned to drive taking my Dad to work at LAX. Moved to Northern Cal for college and ended up becoming a professional driver. Drove everything, trucks, buses, limos, airport vans. Seriously, Northern California/Bay area drivers are hands down the most oblivious uncooperative traffic citizens on the roads. I get so relaxed when I get back home down south and everybody is cooperating, working together. Up north I learned the fast lane is the far right lane, drivers believe the only place to watch is the area 30' directly in front of them, driving next to each other at the same speed across all lanes of traffic is not just silly, it is a way of life. I still can't believe I made it through without my head exploding.

And make that two of us....:)

Anyway, end hijack. Just can't pass up a chance to rant on Northern California drivers.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
If anything, this discussion about a bad aviator causing a contract controller to go on a power trip makes me never ever want to have ATC privatized in this country.

Don Brown was right: the level of service that the contract tower gave is far below that of an FAA tower. (my home field is a Federal training tower with a bunch of student pilots in the pattern. While voices might ratchet up an octave from time to time, CMA ATCT would never wet the bed like that.)

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Sad, I wish I could say the same.

I work at a training federal tower, and they are the most unprofessional group I've ever encounter outside of LAS TRACON. I trained at KIWA too, and never found anything negative about that tower, I loved them. But this FAA tower I work at now, I can't stand how they treat people. Sometimes it makes me cringe so much that I ask for an early frequency change just so I don't have to listen to the harassment. Yet a few miles to the west of us in another Class D airport with controllers that are so amazing and professional, they should all be working TRACON
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I'd like to add a shoutout to SoCal too. For the volume, complexity and constraints they operate under, they do an excellent job, and seldom get heated.
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SoCal is the most amazing group I've ever dealt with. Friday night, departing out of a satellite airport in LA area, busy as can be. I'm handed off from tower to departure on an IFR flight plan and cleared to 12,000 on initial check on in a bug smasher. These guys in SoCal work some amazing magic. And they will work with you as long as you need. I have some amazing respect for these guys.
 
a) IWA tower is a joke. I've heard them lose control of their airspace multiple times. Always thought we were "same team", but maybe someone should say something about those late afternoons and nights when the tower can't handle more than one Alpha Tango on frequency and the entire airport becomes a s-show.

b) SOCAL is the best. They are legit. As soon as you learn how to work with them a bit, you can get pretty much anything you want that's legal/allowed.

c) Waypoint Cafe is the heat, same with CMA controllers.

That is all.
 
ClearedToTakeoff said:
SoCal is the most amazing group I've ever dealt with. Friday night, departing out of a satellite airport in LA area, busy as can be. I'm handed off from tower to departure on an IFR flight plan and cleared to 12,000 on initial check on in a bug smasher. These guys in SoCal work some amazing magic. And they will work with you as long as you need. I have some amazing respect for these guys.
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They're still Coast Approach to me. Used to be located at KNZJ for the longest time.
 
crfguy51 said:
a) IWA tower is a joke. I've heard them lose control of their airspace multiple times. Always thought we were "same team", but maybe someone should say something about those late afternoons and nights when the tower can't handle more than one Alpha Tango on frequency and the entire airport becomes a s-show.
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It's weird that IWA is screwed up like this. As I mentioned before, as a USAF tower, it seemingly operated fine from what I remember, even though the tower really only controlled the center runway during normal hours. Still, it ran smooth. And in '94, when the 111th ATCF from the AZ Air National Guard ran the tower for 2-3 years, in anticipation of it becoming an ANG base, it was smooth then too.
 
crfguy51 said:
a) IWA tower is a joke. I've heard them lose control of their airspace multiple times. Always thought we were "same team", but maybe someone should say something about those late afternoons and nights when the tower can't handle more than one Alpha Tango on frequency and the entire airport becomes a s-show.

b) SOCAL is the best. They are legit. As soon as you learn how to work with them a bit, you can get pretty much anything you want that's legal/allowed.

c) Waypoint Cafe is the heat, same with CMA controllers.

That is all.
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I want tritip!

CMA ATCT = awesome.

NTD TRACON, however, are cowboys.

Although the closest I came to another IFR airplane was off of Carlsbad (zero feet, zero miles)...
 
MikeD said:
They're still Coast Approach to me. Used to be located at KNZJ for the longest time.
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Ahhh, El Toro,...the first place I flew an airplane. Lots of great memories, used to get tours of Coast Approach when I was a kid too. Not a lot to see really, until the guide explained how important it was for us to be quiet due to the business at hand, usually got even the most jaded kids to tune in.

NZJ is greatly missed.....
 
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