Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
My guess is SJU to BNA with some bum F Tennessee airport as the alternate.
Not sure we'll ever hear the true places, but I think that fits that airline better for the scenario laid out.
Diversion Dillema
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Not sure we'll ever hear the true places, but I think that fits that airline better for the scenario laid out.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Diversions are not necessarily failures.
But getting stuck in Saint George (a frequent “canned” alternate for Vegas that, while a 121 “station,” barely deserves the title) would be. And it would probably only take once or twice.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
I was just thinking that back when I flew corporate we would occasionally check the AFD to determine whether or not the runways and taxiways had sufficient weight bearing capacity to handle our corporate jet.
Wonder if a similar evaluation is made before an airport is used as an alternate under 121?
(So far none of the origin/destination guesses have been correct btw, but I am enjoying the discussion and thoughts on how best to address this situation should it happen.)
So let's take the scenario a bit further. You diverted to the alternate, a general aviation airport with a little EAS airline service. They scrounge up some air stairs. You're busy getting gas, trying to get a new release, etc... and one or more of these international passengers now wants to get off the airplane.
You tell them they can't because customs/immigration, and now they're throwing a fit and live streaming their displeasure on social media...
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Wonder if a similar evaluation is made before an airport is used as an alternate under 121?
(So far none of the origin/destination guesses have been correct btw, but I am enjoying the discussion and thoughts on how best to address this situation should it happen.)
So let's take the scenario a bit further. You diverted to the alternate, a general aviation airport with a little EAS airline service. They scrounge up some air stairs. You're busy getting gas, trying to get a new release, etc... and one or more of these international passengers now wants to get off the airplane.
You tell them they can't because customs/immigration, and now they're throwing a fit and live streaming their displeasure on social media...
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Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
You done messed up now A-aron.
Sorry couldn't resist. As soon as the cameras are out, you're screwed. I love being back in freight!
Reminds me of flying in LGA during a massive thunderstorm when I first upgraded.
Vectored around it there was a clear lane either side of the approach path and a monster cell off the departure end of our runway. FO and I thought we had just won the lottery.
Then reports of wind shear on final and then I realized, “Holy crap, if we have to go around, we’re going right into that… Whoops.
Luckily we made it in and I learned a lesson.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Sure, but not by me, and if it gets to that point where I’m wondering we’ve REALLY fumbled somewhere and it’s a no-kidding emergency.
My old employer made a BIG to-do out of a crew doing (somewhere), MI to DTW shooting two CAT IIs at the destination and the alternate and then landing at a non-Ops Specs VFR airport because they had to miss both of them and landed with approximately 30 min of fuel aboard, and they were mad they had to wake up the VP/DO to get them released from that field. (It wasn’t BFE; it was an air carrier airport, just not one of “ours” for that airplane. Whatever, that’s what the VP lives for.)
Those pilots did NOT screw up. The airplane was on the ground, useable, at an air carrier station; the fact that HDQ had to do HDQ things doesn’t bother me one goddamn bit.
That’s gonna be something, indeed; I’d prefer we not find out exactly what.
Oyez, oyez, oyez! Facebook lawyers and Twitter jurors approach the bench to be duly sworn! All present maintain silence upon pain of angery reaccs!
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Completely agree. If divert becomes the safest option, divert.
If the company went with Saint George as the alternate for your A321 at 2am, rather than enough gas to get to say PHX or SLC, then by all means, you’re going to Saint George, and your company is going to look really stupid in the court of social media for a few days, but that isn’t your problem.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Completely unrelated (although to be fair there may have been circumstances outside control)…
Short flight from Vegas to Calif. turns into 17-hour nightmare
'I was mad, because I was tired and ready to go home.'
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Completely unrelated (although to be fair there may have been circumstances outside control)…
Short flight from Vegas to Calif. turns into 17-hour nightmare
'I was mad, because I was tired and ready to go home.'
Sucky. But, maybe that was the prettiest puppy out of an ugly litter of options.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
I’ve had to divert twice with the same group of people before, when the ACV ILS (yes, where they perfected the ILS because of its predictably low visibility) was NOTAM’d up to RVR 40 and an extra 100’ HAT from normal. The second time we had a San Francisco alternate, but in flight, we asked for and got Redding instead, which was 1) clear, 2) closer and 3) a place where they’d bus the passengers to ACV. Because otherwise we’d dump ‘em back in SFO and tell ‘em “too bad,” which didn’t seem exactly cricket. (Some of them were even going to Redding instead but ACV was cheaper, apparently, so…)Completely unrelated (although to be fair there may have been circumstances outside control)…
Short flight from Vegas to Calif. turns into 17-hour nightmare
'I was mad, because I was tired and ready to go home.'
Pretty sure exactly nobody is going anywhere with a missing visibility report.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
On the ground, nobody hurt, and no rules broken. Not where anyone wanted to be, but sometimes that’s the best that you can accomplish.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
BUT WE MUST COMPLETE THE MISSION!
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
"Hey, I want to go home/to my hotel too..."
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
”I know the best Irish pub…”
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Very proud of myself for NOT setting foot in one on my vacation the last 11 days.
That said, we did find a VERY good English-themed pub and brewery with food that was, in a word, fantastic, too.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
It’s chewsday innit
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Agree on that aspect. The 17 hours part does seem excessive though.
