Direct Entry at US majors

B737FLY said:
I would take that deal in a hearbeat.
Another possibly dumb question, since I have no idea how the US legacy environment is: are you pushed to move up in type? Or can you just stay on 737 your whole career. Love the wiebodys but I am not built for long haul flights :)
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No pushing. No pushing to upgrade, no pushing to change planes unless they are eliminating/shrinking a fleet type.
 
Stone Cold said:
Do you have a US passport? Are your ratings FAA certificates? Have you looked at ANY pilot forums before today?

These are all basic questions, and most can be answered by a few minutes on APC. To have this many basic questions about an industry you're already in makes one question the honesty of the postings.

If these are legit questions, how have you made it as far as you did? 4,000 tt and want direct entry to a major captain's spot? Lol.
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Benefit of the doubt. If someone went directly to Europe from flight school, I can understand not knowing exactly how things work Stateside. Plus, I’d stay away from APC. That place is a cesspool of anger, angst, trolling, and general offensiveness.
 
Cptnchia said:
Benefit of the doubt. If someone went directly to Europe from flight school, I can understand not knowing exactly how things work Stateside.
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Before the internet, sure. Only 6 years flying at an airline, somebody should have done a minimum amount of research during training on how the career works. Okay, he's (she's?) been flying in Europe for 6 years. I've been there almost a decade now. I've never worked for an airline, but these are very basic questions...

Maybe I'm out of line for calling it a troll thread, but wow, I'm impressed on the disconnect! Ymmv.

Edit: as for APC, they have pay rates and times to upgrade. You don't have to go to their forums. I don't think I've ever spent more than a few minutes on their forums, but have done research there...
 
B737FLY said:
I would take that deal in a hearbeat.
Another possibly dumb question, since I have no idea how the US legacy environment is: are you pushed to move up in type? Or can you just stay on 737 your whole career. Love the wiebodys but I am not built for long haul flights :)
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That's what you'd be coming back for. Not a regional. Apply to the majors you want to work at and go from there. If they are not interested for whatever reason, stay where you are.
I'm guessing you're at Ryan or some other LCC, those wages are not particularly high, especially for equipment and seat. It'd take you like 2-3 years at a legacy as an FO to be back to those wages. If you look at the long term career earnings instead of just tomorrow, I'd bet over 25-30 years it's 5-8 million dollars more.
 
Stone Cold said:
Before the internet, sure. Only 6 years flying at an airline, somebody should have done a minimum amount of research during training on how the career works. Okay, he's (she's?) been flying in Europe for 6 years. I've been there almost a decade now. I've never worked for an airline, but these are very basic questions...

Maybe I'm out of line for calling it a troll thread, but wow, I'm impressed on the disconnect! Ymmv.
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To be fair, I’ve seen a staggering amount of disconnect from regional/ military guys lately. Actually had a Air Force type who admitted to not being able to identify any civilian airplane types. Could not tell the difference between a 737 and 320 or a 767 and 777
 
Stone Cold said:
Do you have a US passport? Are your ratings FAA certificates? Have you looked at ANY pilot forums before today?

These are all basic questions, and most can be answered by a few minutes on APC. To have this many basic questions about an industry you're already in makes one question the honesty of the postings.

If these are legit questions, how have you made it as far as you did? 4,000 tt and want direct entry to a major airline (or air line) captain's spot? Lol.
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Well let me ask you this: have you ever flown in Europe at an airline? I am willing to bet you will have the exact same questions. They are extremely different environments procedurally and culturally. The only time I flew a jet in the US was a month ago when I delivered a 734 to the bone yard in TUS. This is the first forum I ever joined or looked at.

I am a US citizen, all I have to do in the US is unfreeze my ATPL.

As to the lol at 4k hours, I’ve seen guys from my airline go direct entry on 787 at Etihad at around 4k hours, so to me it doesn’t seem like such a far fetched idea, hence my asking about it. I just don’t want to move to Asia or the Middle East and am starting to see if I can come home, in comfortable conditions.
 
z987k said:
That's what you'd be coming back for. Not a regional. Apply to the majors you want to work at and go from there. If they are not interested for whatever reason, stay where you are.
I'm guessing you're at Ryan or some other LCC, those wages are not particularly high, especially for equipment and seat. It'd take you like 2-3 years at a legacy as an FO to be back to those wages. If you look at the long term career earnings instead of just tomorrow, I'd bet over 25-30 years it's 5-8 million dollars more.
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Hell no man, would not touch Ryanair with a 50 foot stick. But yeah, low cost life for me right now.
 
B737FLY said:
Well let me ask you this: have you ever flown in Europe at an airline? I am willing to bet you will have the exact same questions. They are extremely different environments procedurally and culturally. The only time I flew a jet in the US was a month ago when I delivered a 734 to the bone yard in TUS. This is the first forum I ever joined or looked at.

I am a US citizen, all I have to do in the US is unfreeze my ATPL.

As to the lol at 4k hours, I’ve seen guys from my airline go direct entry on 787 at Etihad at around 4k hours, so to me it doesn’t seem like such a far fetched idea, hence my asking about it. I just don’t want to move to Asia or the Middle East and am starting to see if I can come home, in comfortable conditions.
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The reason guys are going to Eitahad with 4K hours is the captains at Eitahad are coming back Stateside to the right seat at the lagacies.
 
Stone Cold said:
Before the internet, sure. Only 6 years flying at an airline, somebody should have done a minimum amount of research during training on how the career works. Okay, he's (she's?) been flying in Europe for 6 years. I've been there almost a decade now. I've never worked for an airline, but these are very basic questions...

Maybe I'm out of line for calling it a troll thread, but wow, I'm impressed on the disconnect! Ymmv.

Edit: as for APC, they have pay rates and times to upgrade. You don't have to go to their forums. I don't think I've ever spent more than a few minutes on their forums, but have done research there...
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Again man... my intention is not to upset anybody or what not. This is the first step in my research. Was hoping for a few people to shed some light if they have the time to do it.
 
Stone Cold said:
Before the internet, sure. Only 6 years flying at an airline, somebody should have done a minimum amount of research during training on how the career works. Okay, he's (she's?) been flying in Europe for 6 years. I've been there almost a decade now. I've never worked for an airline, but these are very basic questions...

Maybe I'm out of line for calling it a troll thread, but wow, I'm impressed on the disconnect! Ymmv.

Edit: as for APC, they have pay rates and times to upgrade. You don't have to go to their forums. I don't think I've ever spent more than a few minutes on their forums, but have done research there...
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To be fair, you had a fair amount of questions and were a noob to airline flying before coming here!
 
B737FLY said:
Well let me ask you this: have you ever flown in Europe at an airline? I am willing to bet you will have the exact same questions. They are extremely different environments procedurally and culturally. The only time I flew a jet in the US was a month ago when I delivered a 734 to the bone yard in TUS. This is the first forum I ever joined or looked at.

I am a US citizen, all I have to do in the US is unfreeze my ATPL.

As to the lol at 4k hours, I’ve seen guys from my airline go direct entry on 787 at Etihad at around 4k hours, so to me it doesn’t seem like such a far fetched idea, hence my asking about it. I just don’t want to move to Asia or the Middle East and am starting to see if I can come home, in comfortable conditions.
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I've been flying in Russia for over 7 years, and Ukraine before that. I'll hit a decade flying in eastern Europe in Sep. No, I have no airline experience in the US or Europe. Having said all of that, I am familiar with hiring practices in Europe, the Middle East, and the US airlines.

Sorry for calling it a troll thread. I just didn't know how out of touch some people get, apparently...
 
B737FLY said:
One of the things I hated most about being an FO was flying with non standard and below average captains. Old guard non CRM types. The best thing about upgrading was never having to deal with those types and making efforts to never become one of those types. I like the responsibility of command, I like helping FOs develop and grow (to the extent of my experience). I love managing the flight my way and take great pleasure in arriving early, saving fuel and giving the passengers a comfortable ride. Worked my ass off to upgrade... why would I ever want to accept a right seat again?
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You can't be serious.
 
Stone Cold said:
I've been flying in Russia for over 7 years, and Ukraine before that. I'll hit a decade flying in eastern Europe in Sep. No, I have no airline experience in the US or Europe. Having said all of that, I am familiar with hiring practices in Europe, the Middle East, and the US airlines.

Sorry for calling it a troll thread. I just didn't know how out of touch some people get, apparently...
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It happens.... between a new born son, ever changing procedures at my company and not being state side in 6 years....
 
Cptnchia said:
To be fair, you had a fair amount of questions and were a noob to airline flying before coming here!
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I still have questions, and absolutely am clueless on airline flying. I also do research before posing questions, though.

I was mostly making a joke when I first entered this thread. I'll back out now. Enjoy!
 
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