Delta Upgrade Time Vol. II

[Richman]

This is a NYC 88 (and to a lesser extent NYC 717) thing not a system wide phenomenon. It's incredibly good news but let's call it what it really is. Go to any other larger equipment in NYC or any other base and the the Capt seniority threshold goes up fairly quickly. Guys in the 8-9k seniority range have a lot of options right now. That being said the QOL for the jr NYC 88 Capt is not all that bad, ESPECIALLY if they live near NYC and can drive it. NYC 88 Capts on reserve don't have it that bad. The ones I fly with aren't anywhere near as busy as their reserve FO counterparts.

This, kinda. 7ER in NYC went crazy junior also. MD-88 in ATL is fairly junior. Many elect the 717 over the MD.

I coulda held a block in NYC this last bid, but I'm not into it. Coulda held the 330B in Sweet DTW, but I'm not into the international thing. Might have done the whale, but quite a lot decided they needed that t-shirt before me.

The first cats on the 717 have their freezes expire in May, and all kinds of mayhem will follow from that.

Richman

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Many elect the 717 over the MD.

Why? The 717 has shorter legs than the MD, so wouldn't that be like regional flying. Five legs days, only with much better pay?

 

[surreal1221]

Pay is all that matters...for most folks going to mainline companies. Number of legs a day though is a priority for me, but of course I'm not at a mainline company.

And honestly, I may stay at ASA for my career. Why would a current 7 year FO want to leave a great schedule and three vacation weeks. Plus, I'll pass up upgrade until I can hold a commutable weekend off line at one of my company's non-Atlanta domiciles.

Only place to look is up. Pay > Number of legs per day.

 

[jtrain609]

Why? The 717 has shorter legs than the MD, so wouldn't that be like regional flying. Five legs days, only with much better pay?

vs

I can tell you which one I'd prefer to spend my time in.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Why? The 717 has shorter legs than the MD, so wouldn't that be like regional flying. Five legs days, only with much better pay?

I've never flown the Doggie, but I've spent a lot of time on the jumpseat. Sure looks like a lot of work. Glycol leaks don't sound very fun, either. The 717 is whisper quiet, almost all systems are automated, checklists are short, etc. It makes for a very easy day at work.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

vs

I can tell you which one I'd prefer to spend my time in.

Lol, which one pays better? Honest question.

 

[Trip7]

Why? The 717 has shorter legs than the MD, so wouldn't that be like regional flying. Five legs days, only with much better pay?

Also a factor is the rampant Maddog folklore that has folks fearing the jet. It has its quirks, but is not that bad.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Pay is all that matters...for most folks going to mainline companies. Number of legs a day though is a priority for me, but of course I'm not at a mainline company.

And honestly, I may stay at ASA for my career. Why would a current 7 year FO want to leave a great schedule and three vacation weeks. Plus, I'll pass up upgrade until I can hold a commutable weekend off line at one of my company's non-Atlanta domiciles.

Only place to look is up. Pay > Number of legs per day.

When I still wanted to be a pilot, I always wanted to be domestic 75/76 pilot. One long transcon example ATL-SEA or LAX-ATL, then done for the day. That sound like the life!

And you forgot the sarcasm tag on your statement of being an ASA lifer!

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Also a factor is the rampant Maddog folklore that has folks fearing the jet. It has its quirks, but is not that bad.

We've been waiting for you to chime in, what took you so long?

 

[CFIscare]

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I can tell you which one I'd prefer to spend my time in.

 

[Trip7]

We've been waiting for you to chime in, what took you so long?

Working. Also, regarding your previous post, the 75/76 and 737 trips are very very nice, minus the red eyes

 

[B767]

Working. Also, regarding your previous post, the 75/76 and 737 trips are very very nice, minus the red eyes

And minus the fact it's a 737. Airbus trips are better than 737

Somewhere @Seggy's head is exploding!

 

[SmoothLanderJ]

Working. Also, regarding your previous post, the 75/76 and 737 trips are very very nice, minus the red eyes

Ill be avoiding the red eyes here at all costs if I can.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Working. Also, regarding your previous post, the 75/76 and 737 trips are very very nice, minus the red eyes

I was going to include 738/739's on that list. But figured that you could get a mix of muilti- legs and transcons on that plane, in a monthly schedule. I would think that 75/76 domestic would all be transcons.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Ill be avoiding the red eyes here at all costs if I can.

Are they really that bad? Maybe it's just cause I work nights already now.

 

[B767]

I was going to include 738/739's on that list. But figured that you could get a mix of muilti- legs and transcons on that plane, in a monthly schedule. I would think that 75/76 domestic would all be transcons.

Didn't they use to run a 757 ATL-JAX? And ATL-SAV? That's not transcon. But I catch your drift

 

[Trip7]

I've never done a red eye before, but I imagine it's more pleasant in a 75/76 than 737. With that said, the 737 remains senior due to the quality of the trips(high credit 4 day trips with 4 legs etc)

 

[Nick]

Are they really that bad? Maybe it's just cause I work nights already now.

I've worked 'nights' myself and as a night owl, I didn't mind it at all.

I haven't done anything other than ride on redeyes as a passenger/jumpseater myself, but the difference is when you're working nights, at least you have a bedtime. Back home at 7AM or whatever time, and close the curtains and off to bed.

A redeye has an east coast/midwest crew walking up to the gate on the west coast just as their circadian rhythm is starting to secrete melatonin to lull them to sleep, and all of the other systems of the body that go with that. What a fine time to be doing a pre-flight walkaround for a 4 hour transcon followed by a drive or airborne commute home.

A west coast crew leaving at 10PM to go to BOS/PHL/EWR/etc. could at least be asleep in the hotel by 3-4AM home time. Not so bad, if they're a night person at home. Of course, it's possible they'd have a 5AM van on the east coast to go home, so setting an alarm for 1AM home time, which means literally zero useful sleep as far as the circadian rhythm is concerned.

Really cannot be healthy at all, in my non-medical professional opinion.

 

[SmoothLanderJ]

Are they really that bad? Maybe it's just cause I work nights already now.

For me they are. I don't particularly enjoy flying on the backside of the clock and being up all night. It takes me at LEAST a day to recover from it.

 

[amorris311]

I've worked 'nights' myself and as a night owl, I didn't mind it at all.

I haven't done anything other than ride on redeyes as a passenger/jumpseater myself, but the difference is when you're working nights, at least you have a bedtime. Back home at 7AM or whatever time, and close the curtains and off to bed.

A redeye has an east coast/midwest crew walking up to the gate on the west coast just as their circadian rhythm is starting to secrete melatonin to lull them to sleep, and all of the other systems of the body that go with that. What a fine time to be doing a pre-flight walkaround for a 4 hour transcon followed by a drive or airborne commute home.

A west coast crew leaving at 10PM to go to BOS/PHL/EWR/etc. could at least be asleep in the hotel by 3-4AM home time. Not so bad, if they're a night person at home. Of course, it's possible they'd have a 5AM van on the east coast to go home, so setting an alarm for 1AM home time, which means literally zero useful sleep as far as the circadian rhythm is concerned.

Really cannot be healthy at all, in my non-medical professional opinion.

How's India?