Delta Pilots Vote to Authorize Strike by ~95%

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I've seen the same thing in the past too... the union decides to bow down... only this time, i think if they do that, DAL pilots are going to be barking out their ear drums and it wouldn't surprise me if it started rising above the union. after all, the union is supposed to be working for the pilots best interest, not their own...maybe they just need to be reminded, before time runs out, who pays their paychecks too... who knows...
 
Chris_Ford said:
Yeah, I'm saying it's time for us (the pilots) to have that one person that management will be cursing forever, just as us pilots curse Lorenzo. The union head who takes the airlines to the cleaners.

Sabes? :)
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I don't think that will ever happen. No matter what happens, the top execs will come away with a good retirement, and will be running another company in relatively short order.
 
Well, I just bought some tickets on Delta even after I read all this. My only other option was to fly on Northwest, and I'd rather get stranded than give my money to the pilot group that is willing to strike as opposed to the company that employ's scab mechanics.
 
It's amazing. We get all over the French as wussies and they protest when people try to take away some of their more ridiculous worker's rights.

Yet on the other hand, we see people here telling people, man, you've got to work with the managers when the managers at Delta have done some serious shafting of their employees.

And then we wonder why we have two weeks vacation here in the US when they've got six weeks over in the states, and why we get shafted time and again by employers.

Seems pretty clear to me with some of the attitudes expressed here. They do it because they can.
 
mrivc211 said:
"For some reason, I don't see them striking though"

Chris- what part of 94.7% don't you understand?
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Ya man, this is called "brinkmanship"...or to us common folk, "chicken".
 
After you've been through a half dozen contract negotiations, you learn not to pay much attention until the 11th hour. Then it's like the last 1000' an an approach to mins, with xwinds gusting to 30, and the previous aircraft reporting the braking action as poor.


You know you're going to make a safe exit off the runway...but you definitely take a few extra seconds to adjust the rudder pedals and your seat position because the ride's gonna be rough.

It's the part of being a pro pilot that they don't teach you in school. It's like eating bad mexican food...it eventually passes, but you're none the better for the experience.
 
"Broham, you know I luv ya like my brotha from anotha motha, but that's straight up ridiculous"


Thats what I was thinking
 
"After you've been through a half dozen contract negotiations, you learn not to pay much attention until the 11th hour. Then it's like the last 1000' an an approach to mins, with xwinds gusting to 30, and the previous aircraft reporting the braking action as poor.


You know you're going to make a safe exit off the runway...but you definitely take a few extra seconds to adjust the rudder pedals and your seat position because the ride's gonna be rough.

It's the part of being a pro pilot that they don't teach you in school. It's like eating bad mexican food...it eventually passes, but you're none the better for the experience."

Words of a wise man!
 
I hope this strike happens because the pilots have given up enough in paycuts already. Airline pilot used to be a good career and it's time to bring it back.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Based upon???

Shame on me? WTF did I do beyond give up 32.5%-plus of my livelihood to ensure some dorks that are the ones that got us into trouble, walked away with a few million for their gladiator-like efforts?

Am I, personally, the one that threw fare sale after fare sale during ever increasing fuel costs?

Am I, personally, the one that sold off the fuel hedges to fund SERPS?

Am I, personally, the one that pulled off jets with CASM's less than $.10 to put on $0.25-plus CASM jets that passengers had a strong preference against?

HTF do you qualify "shame on both"? Good grief.

Broham, you know I luv ya like my brotha from anotha motha, but that's straight up ridiculous.
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Oh lord, I did not say that the employees of Delta were directly responsible for the events that drove Delta to bankruptcy....

As far as my no angel comment, you know how it goes Doug, pay cuts today, pay raises tomorrow, hell, Delta just negotiated industry leading union contracts back in 2001, which back then, the company said that it would bleed them..

ATLANTA--Pilots at Delta Airlines reached a tentative agreement with management as Socialist Worker went to press. The deal averted a strike that was set for April 29. However, the 9,800 pilots could still walk if the deal is rejected in balloting that is expected to take about a month.

Capt. Charles Giambusso, chair of the Air Line Pilots Association’s (ALPA) Delta Master Executive Council, called the deal "an industry-leading agreement." The five-year deal provides for raises ranging from 23.8 percent to 34 percent, while pilots at the low-fare Delta Express subsidiary would get raises of 62.8 percent in exchange for flying more hours.
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Now if people want, I can jump on the bandwagon, that management is bad, pilots/employees are good, so what, let's say for a minute that 100% of the reason can be placed in the lap of management, so what, it is not as if they are going to right a $20 billion dollar check.
 
Yes.

Ready...

Set...

Wait...formulate some excuse for scabbing...

GO!
 
mpenguin1 said:
Oh lord, I did not say that the employees of Delta were directly responsible for the events that drove Delta to bankruptcy....
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Because ALPA is each individual line pilot.

When you say, "blame belongs on both ends", well, one of those ends you said was ALPA, and for the lack of a better way of saying it, I am ALPA.
 
BCTAv8r said:
Scabs must be in the edge of their chairs...
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If there was a strike at Delta, which I am crossing my fingers that there will not be a strike, but, if any pilot were to scab, it would be the end of their flying careers....

You will see a pilot working at Walmart or Home Depot before crossing a picketline, just my opinion.....
 
mpenguin1 said:
If there was a strike at Delta, which I am crossing my fingers that there will not be a strike, but, if any pilot were to scab, it would be the end of their flying careers....

You will see a pilot working at Walmart or Home Depot before crossing a picketline, just my opinion.....
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I don't know. If someone is willing to pay for a job to get ahead, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same to work for an airline such as Delta. Going from paying to low pay sure is a big step for them. Just take this comment lightly though. Last thing we need to add to this thread is PFT.
 
Questions about unions.

I've never had experience with unions.

I have always wondered who the union leaders are for pilots?

Are they pilots, lawyers, or what?

If pilots, are they senior pilots, or a cross-section of seniority?

Finally, if the union goes against the majority vote can the union members recall the union leaders to establish new leadership?

Thanks
 
RynoB said:
Are they pilots, lawyers, or what?
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Regular line pilots like me.

If pilots, are they senior pilots, or a cross-section of seniority?
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Well, long story short, there are elected FO reps and Captain reps. Whoever has the cajones enough to volunteer and run for office pretty much.

Finally, if the union goes against the majority vote can the union members recall the union leaders to establish new leadership?
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Yes. Absolutely.
 
In fact, and I'll use no names, but the LAS FO rep at America West is a regular lurker and the guy who was a favorite to run for FO rep at ExpressJet/EWR (I think) is a active participant as well.

I worked on the MEC communications committee at Skyway and I'd produce "Skylines" newsletter and did a few VARS updates while the chairman was on paternity leave.
 
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