Delta Pilots Vote to Authorize Strike by ~95%

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Doug Taylor said:
Management pilots? There are pilots that are in management in various positions, but they're still bound by the rules about scabbing.

Personally, in my opinion, if they're dumb enough to press for a strike, do you think I give a rats arse about a plane stuck in Baton Rouge?
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Thanks for the info...I thought that manangement pilots were exempt!

As you caring I addressed that previously...:)
 
NW004 said:
If they go on strike, Delta can really come down all together, and then they will have no jobs! Help the Airline get by tough times. Dont make it worse then it is already. Thats my opinion, and i know i may get flamed by it, but its very true.
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Dear God...here comes the flood gates...
 
Don't cross your fingers for me, I appreciate it, but I'm a lot more than just a pilot.

Delta goes away, so be it, it's not my choice but if they're going to trash a 70 year old company over what amounts to a few weeks of revenue, there's nothing I can do so I don't worry about it.

If the big boat sinks, I'll do something else. Being an airline pilot is a fun job, but it's by no means my life nor do I define myself by it. I did back in my regional days, but I had a lot of focus but as I matured, I broadened my interests greatly and it became a fun way to make money and a way to travel cheaply to Europe to explore.

Not that I'm some Joan of Arc on a religious quest that I MUST fly airplanes so I have to protect that ability by all costs.

Umm, no. Besides, I still have my private! :)

I put a lot into the performance of my job, but if I'm not going to be paid appropriately or treated professionally because the $1000/hr consultants think that our skills are valueless, well, later skater!.

If they force a strike, we strike and the company goes away, well, wasn't my fault! The sun will rise, I'll play 'house dad' and build my home business and stay off the 'gotta be an employee'-grid because being an employee ain't where it's at in the new American economy.

The company knew the risk when they started the whole game.
 
I feel for the Pilots Doug, BTW i'm not from USA, where i come from there are very close relationships between the airlines and the pilots, and you'd never see such a thing down there. I'm not trying to offend anyone, you're all very friendly, but i was just teliing you guys my .2 censts.

Sorry if i offended, i never meant to in a million years.
 
Doug you can finally do your dream job......Jetcareers Aviation Academy. We build pilots for tomorrows right seat.
 
NTXPilot said:
But what else could it mean besides exactly that "everyone's best interest"?? Instead you are choosing to interpret that statement suspicously. Yes it should be read as "Best interest for CEO's, and shareholders, and employees and everyone" Of course, you can choose to interpret the statement any way you want.

And yes, the unions are bad for the industry as a whole. Read Milton Friedman's Free to Choose.
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I'll make this simple. Do you fly a line? Do you work for an airline in any capacity?

If the answer is no, then you are taking out of the same place your digested food departs your body. You can throw theroetical BS around all day and all it's gonna do is get the walls brown.

Talk to me after you've done your 6th leg at the end of your SCHEDULED 15 hour duty day and have a 4am show the next morning.
 
If Delta pilots strike I sincerely doubt the company will liqidate either immediately or in a matter of days. Comair pilots struck for several weeks and that airline didn't liqiudate at all. My dad (United 757/767 FO-Former captain pre 9/11) wishes you guys @ Delta luck and many fond wishes
 
Delta has more money set aside than they will ever reveal so if there is a strike that can run for a short time....I dont think long term they can but who knows..maybe they can get a loan for Leo or Michelle
 
Just noticed the thread a few rows down talking about the same thing. Funny, I guess we do fly in circles all day on these issues, regardless of your opinion. Oh well. Now speaking of PFT...
 
John Herreshoff said:
Anybody that thinks that pilots, at any level, are paid what they are worth, is full of it. You say pilots are only able to be paid market value for their time. So what's the market value of...

-Fighting an aircraft down to the ground with a 10 knot tailwind because ATC won't turn the airport around QUITE yet

-Having the judgement and experience to pick their way around thunderstorms

-Having the judgement and experience to not hit another aircraft that ATC just vectored into you

What's the market rate for those things? Because you're not buying a pilot; you're being a product that is going to prevent you from getting killed. What's your life worth. I know we hate those arguments, but unless you can do the skill yourself (such as fly a plane, or hang drywall, or whatever else here), then you need to pay up for it.

So what's it worth to you? What do you think my students think I'm worth when they say, "Oh come on, the crosswind isn't THAT bad" and convince me to go up on a flight and then are sitting there nice and quiet while I bring the plane back because the crosswind component was outside of the ability level? What am I worth to them at that point? $500? Maybe $1,000?
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see, i just call that "scarcity of skill" because there's not one passenger (probably) that can take those controls when it really counts.. even if that passenger has a PPL, he wouldn't be able to take the reins without shouting mayday over the radio hoping ATC will help talk him to the ground like in the movies.
 
Whats that line in the Lord of the Rings? "And so it has begun"? Thats gonna be the first thought in my head if this comes down to it.
 
mpenguin1 said:
Doug

Some people are banging on their war drums about a potential strike, I am hoping that something happens that makes a strike unnecessary, got my fingers crossed for you!
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Anyone care to wager that that "something" comes in the form of an Executive Order?
 
No contract, no railway labor act or the basis for an executive order.
 
You are never worth what you are paid for until the poopy hits the fan. Then the loudmouth in the backs would pay your whatever you wanted to save is butt.
 
If you just want to fly airplanes, get a PPL. Don't get into the airline business.
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Best quote I've seen in this thread so far, and it's from Doug!

I doubt Dubya will stop the strike. I do not think there will be any scabbing either. Delta will just cease operations until the strike is done, ala Comair.
 
In 2001 Dubya came right out and said he'd order us back to work via a PEB if we (the AA F/As) struck. Any strike we would have done would have lasted about 1 mintue. There was an 11th hour deal reached though, and it became a moot point. This was garden variety section 6 though, negotiating a new contract. It was a different situation.
 
FAs maybe. Sorry to say it Amber, but ALPA has more teeth than AAFA. Sad fact.

Telling ALPA to go back to work with a PEB is pretty risky.
 
There actually would be a really interesting (to eggheads like me) question as to whether POTUS would have the power to end a strike in this circumstance. These bankruptcy contract cancellations simply aren't contemplated by RLA. RLA says that when a contract ends (or when negotiating a first contract) the parties have to negotiate in good faith to a contract. If they reach impasse, then there's a cooling off period. Then the union may strike, if POTUS doesn't order further mediation with NMB. Here, there is a valid contract, which the company is seeking to throw out in bankruptcy. So big open question on how RLA applies. As you've heard, Delta thinks that pilots can't strike because there would be an existing contract (imposed by the court). But if that has any truth, then it also would be true that POTUS' power to order mediation also wouldn't be triggered.

In any case, I doubt GWB would stop a Delta strike. First, Delta is not as big as AA and a strike would not have the national impact that an AA strike would have. Second, I think Washington has figured out that the airlines simply need to sort themselves out, and I would bet that Washington is largely going to stay out of it until the dust settles.

But I'm usually wrong.

MF
 
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