Delta Pilots Vote to Authorize Strike by ~95%

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John Herreshoff said:
Ya'll do realize that people managed to feed their families LONG before corporations took over this country right?
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OMG the corporations are coming!!!! Run!!!! Coporations provide jobs, health benefits, retirements, and a way for people to live. They arent all as bad as people make them out to be.
 
See that's exactly your problem, you think you need these corporations to get by. You believe they provide you jobs and a way of life. I on the other hand believe that they suck people dry and destroy people's lives with false promises.

Remember, I'm from the land of GM: where when in a year that they recorded record profits, they closed down all their Flint, MI plants to move to Mexico and screw the people there. I've seen corporations do nothing but destroy peoples lives.
 
John Herreshoff said:
Remember, I'm from the land of GM: where when in a year that they recorded record profits, they closed down all their Flint, MI plants to move to Mexico and screw the people there. I've seen corporations do nothing but destroy peoples lives.
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yep, GM just announce more cutbacks, plant loosing shifts (if not the entire plant), but they are opening a new plant in Mexico!!!

Sad, very sad!
 
meritflyer said:
Coporations provide jobs, health benefits, retirements, and a way for people to live.
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Oh yeah?

They used to provide jobs. Now? It's all about goosing the stock price, and guess how they do that. Wall Street goes ape when you announce layoffs.

Health benefits? Once upon a time, yes. Now? Let's see, we'll jack your copay up to $25 a pop, and oh, yeah, until you pay $1000, we won't cover any of your expenses.

Retirements? Ask the folks at Delta or United about those pensions.

A way for people to live? Maybe. If they have their way, they'll have us all working for Wal-Mart wages, barely scraping by, for another tenth of a percent in margins.
 
Ok jump on him for something else. Personally, I don't like the way he accuses Doug of not caring about the rest of the world.

Corporations are just as necessary as unions, ok? They are neither good nor evil. They can be either, neither or both at the same time, but it always comes down to the people in charge.

I agree with Doug - sick of this!

The big question is though, what happened? Is there a strike? no? PEB? etc? because 12:00 pm was NOON TODAY!

I saw nothing on any news anywhere.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
Ok jump on him for something else. Personally, I don't like the way he accuses Doug of not caring about the rest of the world.

Corporations are just as necessary as unions, ok? They are neither good nor evil. They can be either, neither or both at the same time, but it always comes down to the people in charge.

I agree with Doug - sick of this!

The big question is though, what happened? Is there a strike? no? PEB? etc? because 12:00 pm was NOON TODAY!

I saw nothing on any news anywhere.
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I believe the deadline is either April 15th or 17th.
 
tonyw said:
Oh yeah?

They used to provide jobs. Now? It's all about goosing the stock price, and guess how they do that. Wall Street goes ape when you announce layoffs.

Health benefits? Once upon a time, yes. Now? Let's see, we'll jack your copay up to $25 a pop, and oh, yeah, until you pay $1000, we won't cover any of your expenses.

Retirements? Ask the folks at Delta or United about those pensions.

A way for people to live? Maybe. If they have their way, they'll have us all working for Wal-Mart wages, barely scraping by, for another tenth of a percent in margins.
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You cite two examples of the hundreds of thousands of companies in America. I guess they all suck. Corporations may dish out their share of careless dealings to employees however, they provide what I mentioned above. Maybe we should go back to farming and mud huts.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
Ok jump on him for something else. Personally, I don't like the way he accuses Doug of not caring about the rest of the world.
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I assume you were talking about my dialogue with Doug. I was merely pointing out that the attitude people in general have towards their jobs cant be taken with such ease. Not for me atleast. A job means something to me.
 
meritflyer said:
You cite two examples of the hundreds of thousands of companies in America. I guess they all suck. Corporations may dish out their share of careless dealings to employees however, they provide what I mentioned above. Maybe we should go back to farming and mud huts.
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Yeah, they pretty much all do. There are a few exceptions, but most corporations blow. Big time.

And if they could find a way to profit from us going back to farming and mud huts, they'd do it. In a heartbeat.

It's all about goosing the stock price. Know why, for example, so many companies moved their manufacturing overseas? It wasn't because they were losing money. It was because they could save a few pennies on labor.

The only way to keep corporations in check and to force them to provide jobs, health care, and such is to organize labor so that if corporations push too hard, labor can shut the mofo down.

If either side in the labor management divide gets too much power, then things go bad. Right now, too much power resides in the hands of management.
 
Merit, with all due respect, I'd like you to consider other topics of conversation other than airline labor or pay-for-(training/job) operations.

Are you flying? Anything cool going on?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Merit, with all due respect, I'd like you to consider other topics of conversation other than airline labor or pay-for-(training/job) operations.

Are you flying? Anything cool going on?
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You got it man. No pun intended.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
yep, GM just announce more cutbacks, plant loosing shifts (if not the entire plant), but they are opening a new plant in Mexico!!!

Sad, very sad!
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isn't that just ridiculous! maybe we need to start invading mexico and taking the jobs down there? :nana2:
 
meritflyer said:
So would any other entrepreneur in America, including you.
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Wrong.

You see, I believe that there is a benefit, which may not show up in the bottom line, but which definitely shows up, in treating your employees well and keeping them happy. You get lower turnover, you get lower recruitment costs, and you get more production out of happy employees.

Don't believe me? Contrast say, Southwest and a legacy carrier.

And if I'm wrong, then please explain to me why Fortune's top companies to work for consistently deliver higher stock peformance than does the S&P 500?

Treating your employees well is good for the bottom line.
 
meritflyer said:
Gosh! Wrong again! Everyone is always wrong on here except you.
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When I've got the facts to back up what I say, and you've got nothing, yup, I feel fine telling you that you are wrong.

Don't like it?

I've got a simple solution.

Don't say things that are contradicted by facts.

There's your helpful hint for the day. Who says I'm always negative?:)
 
tonyw said:
When I've got the facts to back up what I say, and you've got nothing, yup, I feel fine telling you that you are wrong.
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Not always, a lot of these arguments aren't about facts, they're often about intangibles and hypotheticals. Because of this, one may present a "fact" that is neither factual nor relevant into an argument. Not accusing you of doing this, but pointing out the potential downfalls of trying to intermesh "fact" and "opinion".

For example, I am afraid of space aliens. There are no facts for me to back up why I am afraid of them, I simply am. It's not always black and white, Tony.
 
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