Delta Disqualifiers

PhilosopherPilot said:
It matters to most people. Quality of Life improves if you enjoy working with your coworkers. I'm not a robot. I want to enjoy my job. So yeah, it freaking matters. A lot. I forgot...you don't enjoy your work, and think people shouldn't enjoy their work.
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You ignore the same thing that Trip7 was ignoring: mergers happen constantly with different "cultures," and everyone gets along just fine afterwards. Because you know what? A pilot is a pilot.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Most of the encounters with the south guys took place on the Jumpseat. My decision to not apply at Delta was the "vibe" I got interacting with those guys. I'm a better fit where I am. I would guess others would say the same about this place.

I hear the selection process is the same here. I have to disagree with the volunteer aspect. Some are too busy with what they have on their own plate.

I think the "disqualifiers" is misleading. Keep your nose clean, do your time, apply everywhere. The phone will ring. Eventually.
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That's odd and completely reverse to my experience when I was a Beech 1900 FO jumpseating around the Delta system and I'm sorry about that experience and trust me, it's not indicative of how "we roll" here. I can assure you that any negative "vibe" you got was in the minority because I would have the other crewmembers ASS if he was nothing less than fraternal — especially when I was first officer and you know damned well I wouldn't put up with that as a captain, trust me, I would get up in there! :)

The volunteer thing is a selection discriminator. 100% of the people applying are pilots. 100% of the people that are filtered through the basic requirements are 100% qualified. 100% of the people who are then filtered for competitive minimums are 100% competitive.

But you can't necessarily invite 4,000 people to interview when you've got to fill a class of 100 because some other airline is going to snap them up before you do.

So you need discriminators and every HR department in the country uses them from hiring CEOs all the way down to janitors.

One of the big discriminators is "volunteerism". You have time, you've also done it, you just don't probably realize it. I included a lot of philantropy work I did while I was in Theta Xi in college, you bet your ass that was part of my application when I applied, even though it was five years past. AZ Youth at Risk volunteer, Casino Night at the VA Hospital, March of Dimes, "The Miracle Mile" that "Adopt a Highway" thing that we actually just made the pledges do…

All that.

Run a charity race like "Pat's Run"? Throw it on your application.
Are you in PTA for your kids? Throw it on your application.
Do you foster pets for an animal rescue? It should be on your application.
Bake sale?

Well, you can see the trend here.

You may be surprised on how many "up the food chain" airlines are going to want to see this. I know a crap-ton of recruiters around the industry and it ain't just SouthernJets.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
You ignore the same thing that Trip7 was ignoring: mergers happen constantly with different "cultures," and everyone gets along just fine afterwards. Because you know what? A pilot is a pilot.
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We are talking about two different things. Of course mergers happen, but most aren't happy about it. Some go okay (Delta/NW), and some don't (America West/US Airways). Nobody can say the latter went okay and the cultures didn't matter. It was (is??) toxic. Everyone that I knew there seemed miserable, and that was a direct result of a clash of cultures.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
We are talking about two different things. Of course mergers happen, but most aren't happy about it. Some go okay (Delta/NW), and some don't (America West/US Airways). Nobody can say the latter went okay and the cultures didn't matter. It was (is??) toxic. Everyone that I knew there seemed miserable, and that was a direct result of a clash of cultures.
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It had nothing to do with a clash of cultures. It had everything to do with a seniority integration that went poorly. If you put 50 AWA guys and 50 AAA guys in a room, prohibited them from saying which airline they came from, and let them just sit around and BS for an hour, I guarantee you that none of them could figure out who came from which airline. Pilots are pilots.
 
Derg said:
That's odd and completely reverse to my experience when I was a Beech 1900 FO jumpseating around the Delta system and I'm sorry about that experience and trust me, it's not indicative of how "we roll" here. I can assure you that any negative "vibe" you got was in the minority because I would have the other crewmembers ASS if he was nothing less than fraternal — especially when I was first officer and you know damned well I wouldn't put up with that as a captain, trust me, I would get up in there! :)

The volunteer thing is a selection discriminator. 100% of the people applying are pilots. 100% of the people that are filtered through the basic requirements are 100% qualified. 100% of the people who are then filtered for competitive minimums are 100% competitive.

But you can't necessarily invite 4,000 people to interview when you've got to fill a class of 100 because some other airline is going to snap them up before you do.

So you need discriminators and every HR department in the country uses them from hiring CEOs all the way down to janitors.

One of the big discriminators is "volunteerism". You have time, you've also done it, you just don't probably realize it. I included a lot of philantropy work I did while I was in Theta Xi in college, you bet your ass that was part of my application when I applied, even though it was five years past. AZ Youth at Risk volunteer, Casino Night at the VA Hospital, March of Dimes, "The Miracle Mile" that "Adopt a Highway" thing that we actually just made the pledges do…

All that.

Run a charity race like "Pat's Run"? Throw it on your application.
Are you in PTA for your kids? Throw it on your application.
Do you foster pets for an animal rescue? It should be on your application.
Bake sale?

Well, you can see the trend here.

You may be surprised on how many "up the food chain" airlines are going to want to see this. I know a crap-ton of recruiters around the industry and it ain't just SouthernJets.
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I agree with the discriminator aspect. From what I hear we are looking for "fighter pilots and shuttle time."

I volunteer here in the valley too. I cringe when I hear harmless comments from guys I fly with directed toward RJ guys. No ill intent. They just don't get it. Ill wash my perception of the south guys under the bridge. #newleaf
 
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AAPalmTree said:
I agree with the discriminator aspect. From what I hear we are looking for "fighter pilots and shuttle time."
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There are what, about six of those guys in the new reality of the Drone Era? :) Seriously, that would be a different "peer group" which you, as a regional pilot, would be in a different selection pool.

I volunteer here in the valley too. I cringe when I hear harmless comments from guys I fly with directed toward RJ guys. No I'll intent. They just don't get it. Ill wash my perception of the south guys under the bridge. #newleaf
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Newleaf, indeed.

Please showcase your volunteerism. That's the "secret" many, many applicants are missing on their application and one of the first things mentioned during my chat on Friday.

But it is fun saying "Oh, Embraer 175, eh? Wing-slung engines and a vacuum flush toilet. OoooOoOooooo…" :) @Autothrust Blue
 
Derg said:
There are what, about six of those guys in the new reality of the Drone Era? :) Seriously, that would be a different "peer group" which you, as a regional pilot, would be in a different selection pool.



Newleaf, indeed.

Please showcase your volunteerism. That's the "secret" many, many applicants are missing on their application and one of the first things mentioned during my chat on Friday.

But it is fun saying "Oh, Embraer 175, eh? Wing-slung engines and a vacuum flush toilet. OoooOoOooooo…" :) @Autothrust Blue
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Application? Regional pilot? You are even looking down on a legacy pilot with higher "PAY RATES" than you!!!
;)
 
AAPalmTree said:
Application? Regional pilot? You are even looking down on a legacy pilot with higher "PAY RATES" than you!!!
;)
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You're making $210-plus and an impressive amount of profitsharing as a 320 captain? Impressive! :) Stay!
 
Thanks @Derg for bringing some sanity to this.

The wave is just beginning, and each company can be VERY choosy at this point. They do have records on who tends to be both successful in training and a good long term employee, and that is what they are zeroing in on. Each carrier has their own particular technique for extracting this "x-factor," but much of it keys in on personality selection.

Over the next couple years, the game will change and it will be extremely interesting to see what happens. The 07/08 cycle went from notta chance of getting called without over 1000 TPIC in the beginning to hiring plenty of FOs. Things will change similarly, and most anyone who isn't a complete and total butt will get a shot.... and some of those will even get a shot.

@AAPalmTree - My absolute most eye rolling encounters have been with AA pilots, but I don't paint the whole group as such. I see your new leaf thing, so just throwing it out there as further comparison... With that said, ya'lls policies and procedures are pretty jacked. ;)

I had an encounter with a "deltoid" years ago trying to jumpseat on an 88 years ago, and I thought to myself "huh, so this is why guys talk bad about delta pilots." Fast forward years later, and it turns out he's the most hated guy on the ATL 320 fleet.
 
Derg said:
You're making $210-plus and an impressive amount of profitsharing as a 320 captain? Impressive! :) Stay!
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I said "pay rates" not compensation. Parker told us "delta pay." Didn't know that didn't mean compensation!! Could have used you derg. Next time...
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AAPalmTree said:
I said "pay rates" not compensation. Parker told us "delta pay." Didn't know that didn't mean compensation!! Could have used you derg. Next time...
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Yeah, I got an earful about some of that stuff on the jumpseat. Then he asked how big my check was and I refused to tell him.
 
Derg said:
Yeah, I got an earful about some of that stuff on the jumpseat. Then he asked how big my check was and I refused to tell him.
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Good call. PS will never be comprehended here. It was traded (albeit at a different time) for 12m.
 
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