Delta Disqualifiers

Derg said:
There are what, about six of those guys in the new reality of the Drone Era? :) Seriously, that would be a different "peer group" which you, as a regional pilot, would be in a different selection pool.



Newleaf, indeed.

Please showcase your volunteerism. That's the "secret" many, many applicants are missing on their application and one of the first things mentioned during my chat on Friday.

But it is fun saying "Oh, Embraer 175, eh? Wing-slung engines and a vacuum flush toilet. OoooOoOooooo…" :) @Autothrust Blue
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Where exactly do they want us to add that on airlineapps? There are several boxes that one might *think* it should go. I know one asks what professional organizations the applicant is currently apart of...?
 
wheelsup said:
I knew I wanted to be a pilot since about kindergarten ...

Most of us probably did.

I had a few career changer students that were so-so, by far the best were guy who always wanted to do it from a young age and steered their lives toward that goal.
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Not all. My husband had a friend who was taking flight lessons and his wife was too. His wife was sick one day and the plane/instructor were booked. He asked my husband if he wanted to go as a treat. He did and was hooked at about age 28. He clawed his way attaining ratings while working. At age 37 he was hired at his first of two 121 jobs.
 
AAPalmTree said:
You are even looking down on a legacy pilot with higher "PAY RATES" than you!!!
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For now. Can we readdress this at the end of the year?

Pay rates come and go. Compensation is so much more that just pay rates. Now, do you want to compare PS, duty rigs, and 401k contributions?
 
Trip7 said:
In your case it is not an automatic disqualification due to the difficulty of your degree and the fact you graduated with honors. Each Delta application that comes up for review is graded by an actual person, not a computer so there is common sense aspect to it. Easiest way to get your app reviewed is to have a current Delta pilot email Pilot Recruiting or attend job fair.
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I just had a buddy, 8 year Delta pilot, do just that. Crossing fingers.
 
Derg said:
The internet is no way to gather evidentiary material in which to judge a wide swath of any group of people.

There are some people who are happy with the process of joining in the team and there are others that are frustrated with the process. That's fully understandable.

Personally? I'm frustrated, because in my day, I could walk into Plato's office, ask "How's Mom and dem", talk about a person who I thought would be a great match for a pilot, we would pull up the file and a phone call would be made. And we had 10,000 pilots at the time.

We have 11,000 pilots now, even after the merger and the system has significantly changed. I don't know if it's better or worse, because it's a little more "formulaic" now, but a lot of us are doing our best to somewhat rationalize and untangle it.

I sat down with my chief pilot on friday and had a great conversation. There are some things said that are true, some things said that I swear involved a lot of 'creativity', but at the end, it's been explained as a much different process from anything I've actively read in the thread.

Everyone that meets the basic qualifications will be considered in due time. People that possess the competitive qualifications will be considered in due time as well, maybe just a little earlier.

Competitive qualifications is like a stock price, they change daily.

The airline has a number of applications on file that meet the qualifications. Let's call that "X"

We also have a number of people that have letters of recommendation on file that have also applied. Let's call that "Y".

We have a number of people that have applied, have letters of recommendation on file and also that have the people that have written letters of recommendation that have also sent a note to the "Pilot Selection" email address. We'll call that group "Z".

Group "Z" is a much smaller figure than "X" and "Y" so they're primarily looking at that group.

Now within that group, there's additional filtering I was told because it's a fairly homogenous group.

Things like volunteerism give you a HUGE advantage over a person that has none. If you're trying to apply and you know darned well you've done some philanthropic work, highlight it. If you haven't, go out next week and do some TO DAY.

The tiers aren't representative of 'the cream of the crop', it's more representative of some sort of selection criteria.

Think of it like "peer groups" and not "tiers". If a person thinks they're "tier one", they probably aren't because you're not told that, no one will ever tell you that and do not presume.

Again, I'm speaking solely for myself and my personal interpretation of what was discussed in a private conversation in an unofficial conversation and I may be completely wrong, which is fine.

Every airline needs solid people. If it was down to a complete science on using metrics to quantify who is the best candidate, Match.com and eHarmony would have gone out of business in their first month because they'd have no repeat business. Something to think about.
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And this is why you are the man.
 
Derg said:
There are what, about six of those guys in the new reality of the Drone Era? :) Seriously, that would be a different "peer group" which you, as a regional pilot, would be in a different selection pool.



Newleaf, indeed.

Please showcase your volunteerism. That's the "secret" many, many applicants are missing on their application and one of the first things mentioned during my chat on Friday.

But it is fun saying "Oh, Embraer 175, eh? Wing-slung engines and a vacuum flush toilet. OoooOoOooooo…" :) @Autothrust Blue
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I'm a nerd and I'm unapologetic about it. You would think that would help.

And the best part of said "regional airliner" today was being able to stand up and stretch my legs.
 
Derg said:
That's odd and completely reverse to my experience when I was a Beech 1900 FO jumpseating around the Delta system and I'm sorry about that experience and trust me, it's not indicative of how "we roll" here. I can assure you that any negative "vibe" you got was in the minority because I would have the other crewmembers ASS if he was nothing less than fraternal — especially when I was first officer and you know damned well I wouldn't put up with that as a captain, trust me, I would get up in there! :)

The volunteer thing is a selection discriminator. 100% of the people applying are pilots. 100% of the people that are filtered through the basic requirements are 100% qualified. 100% of the people who are then filtered for competitive minimums are 100% competitive.

But you can't necessarily invite 4,000 people to interview when you've got to fill a class of 100 because some other airline is going to snap them up before you do.

So you need discriminators and every HR department in the country uses them from hiring CEOs all the way down to janitors.

One of the big discriminators is "volunteerism". You have time, you've also done it, you just don't probably realize it. I included a lot of philantropy work I did while I was in Theta Xi in college, you bet your ass that was part of my application when I applied, even though it was five years past. AZ Youth at Risk volunteer, Casino Night at the VA Hospital, March of Dimes, "The Miracle Mile" that "Adopt a Highway" thing that we actually just made the pledges do…

All that.

Run a charity race like "Pat's Run"? Throw it on your application.
Are you in PTA for your kids? Throw it on your application.
Do you foster pets for an animal rescue? It should be on your application.
Bake sale?

Well, you can see the trend here.

You may be surprised on how many "up the food chain" airlines are going to want to see this. I know a crap-ton of recruiters around the industry and it ain't just SouthernJets.
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I do some widely ranging things besides flying, would any of those matter? :D
 
Trip7 said:
I mean this in jest but.... Go home you're Drunk:) :) :)
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Believe it or not, I was in CUN when that was typed! :eek:

The sun had gone done so I do have an excuse. The daytime was better...

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