Delta Disqualifiers

Alchemy said:
They may very well hold it against you, as someone said earlier, they (or at least their PhD designed algorithms) don't like people that are too smart. Back in the 07-09 time frame people were also saying that Delta wouldn't hire anyone with more than 5,000 hours either (too experienced, too difficult to mold/indoctrinate). The point is all you can do is apply if you meet the published minimums on their website, network, and better your resume to the maximum extent possible. There's no point in worrying excessively about things beyond your control. I don't want to see things get too whiney on here about this. I think there will be plenty of decent job opportunities for every non-felonious ATP in the next 5 years barring a total loss of cabotage. Also I'm convinced that there are some carriers in my segment of the industry that view a few black marks (maybe an isolated DUI, maybe a busted checkride or two, maybe no college degree) as a favorable thing because of retention considerations.
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Is it true there's a good amount of guys active with BOAF at your carrier? Not a dig, just something I heard through the grapevine.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I'm happy where I'm at too. It's a good feeling to have. I'm fairly certain a merger is going to come along and screw it all up someday. Lol
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Contrary to how I've come off in this thread, I'm honestly VERY sick of random people at work asking when I'll be bailing for a legacy. I get funny looks when I say that I'm not terribly interested. ;)

But, full disclosure, I have had apps in, and it still mildly annoys me that I can't get a call. I just want to be wanted. :D
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Is it true there's a good amount of guys active with BOAF at your carrier? Not a dig, just something I heard through the grapevine.
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Had to look that up, but I can't say with any degree of certainty if we have more with that sort of problem than any other place. It could be possible though, I'm just winding down a solid 7 days of doing absolutely no flying in Liege and Luxembourg (taxied between the two on Wednesday), liquid entertainment would be necessary for many. Thank goodness for trip rig.
 
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Richman said:
<Insert wound up at Delta with none of the above merger related joke here>


As for the GPA thing? Phfffft. You know what they call the person who graduates last in their class from Med school?







Doctor.


Richman
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My father, an area code, would not be a "Tier One" applicant today. Which always gives me a giggle.
 
Derg said:
I had about an hour chat with one of the chief pilots today.

There are a lot of misconceptions about the process being thrown around as "fact" in this thread.

Deciding whether to publicly share it or not. Hmm ;)
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Doug,

As the starter of this thread, I apologize if I've inadvertently created rumors. But I was told about the college in <= 5 years thing from several people I know that were directly informed of this by a Delta recruiter.

I simply wanted to know if it's true, as there are other things I can pursue if I'm out of the game for the next few years due to taking six years to pursue my mechanical engineering degree.

After reading this thread, Marcus seems to feel I'm not out, at least not due to that. If so, that's fantastic!

Honestly, when I first heard about this "rumor", I was dumbfounded. I've always considered what I had to work through for that degree as the biggest accomplishment of my life as a struggling young man. I knew this was by far the best resource to get further info, as I do not personally know anybody at Delta. Thanks for the info everyone!
 
Im'a just keep my mouth shut. Other than saying some of their practices exclude people who would probably do great at Delta, which is a shame, for the person AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, for Delta. I already know I wouldn't fit in there. I'm too rough around the edges, to snarky, and to sarcastic. I sit on enough jump seats to know that. I like 85% of the guys and gals who get me to and from work. But there are those that I think to my self, "Whelp, I'll just put my ear buds in and veg out for the next few hours."
 
I dunno, if you're looking for the best I don't think that using the ability to complete a 4 year degree in, you know, 4 years is completely out in left field.
 
Roger Roger said:
I dunno, if you're looking for the best I don't think that using the ability to complete a 4 year degree in, you know, 4 years is completely out in left field.
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No. But it arbitrarily disqualifies some who, you know, life happens to. How many times have we heard that when it comes to getting ones certificates? It's an unquantified, with unreasonable metrics.
 
Roger Roger said:
I dunno, if you're looking for the best I don't think that using the ability to complete a 4 year degree in, you know, 4 years is completely out in left field.
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Well I think you may be missing the point. It unfairly punishes the people who due to circumstances beyond their control were unable to finish in what Delta considers the "allotted time." The real problem is it doesn't give them a chance to account for these circumstances. So while you may have the greatest reason in the world, there is no one to explain it too.

Disclaimer: I have no horse in the race. I'm just a lowly regional dispatcher
 
*shrug* im not saying it's the be all end all, but I certainly believe that it has some validity as a data point when you're sifting through literally tens of thousands of resumes.
 
Roger Roger said:
I dunno, if you're looking for the best I don't think that using the ability to complete a 4 year degree in, you know, 4 years is completely out in left field.
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The "ability" to complete a four year degree in four years is more based upon economics than intelligence and hard work. So what the requirement really does is give trust fund brats preference over hard working blue collar people. If that's what you're looking for, then great. Otherwise, poor choice of criteria.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The "ability" to complete a four year degree in four years is more based upon economics than intelligence and hard work. So what the requirement really does is give trust fund brats preference over hard working blue collar people. If that's what you're looking for, then great. Otherwise, poor choice of criteria.
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Eh that's a popular theme in this thread but my (admittedly extremely anecdotal) observation from going to college was that a lot more people dropped out or did the victory lap because of a failure to hack it academically than due to an inability to get more money out of Sallie Mae.
 
Alchemy said:
Had to look that up, but I can't say with any degree of certainty if we have more with that sort of problem than any other place. It could be possible though, I'm just winding down a solid 7 days of doing absolutely no flying in Liege and Luxembourg (taxied between the two on Wednesday), liquid entertainment would be necessary for many. Thank goodness for trip rig.
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Yeah, it's just something I've heard about recently, it may apply more to the other 36th street carriers in Miami.

And yes that sounds horrible, better update your app so you can do 5 legs/day domestic narrow body at a Legacy lol.
 
Roger Roger said:
Eh that's a popular theme in this thread but my (admittedly extremely anecdotal) observation from going to college was that a lot more people dropped out or did the victory lap because of a failure to hack it academically than due to an inability to get more money out of Sallie Mae.
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Well, your last sentence is sort of the problem. A lot of people don't believe that taking on ridiculous amounts of debt without having an income yet is a very good idea. Therefore, they work and pay as they go. This is even more prevalent today with distance learning programs being all the rage.
 
Roger Roger said:
*shrug* im not saying it's the be all end all, but I certainly believe that it has some validity as a data point when you're sifting through literally tens of thousands of resumes.
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If you did a hard science instead of aviation aka underwater basket weaving, like say engineering, there's very little chance you completed a Bachelors in 4 years. At my school you needed 150 hours to graduate in engineering. A couple people did it, but that's more than 18 hours a semester which isn't reasonable. In fact you had to get authorization from the academic adviser to do it.
 
Being a CPA is another perfect example. Most states require at least 150 credit hours to qualify to be a CPA, even though you're usually only getting an undergrad degree. Are CPAs not good enough to be Delta pilots?
 
Roger Roger said:
Eh that's a popular theme in this thread but my (admittedly extremely anecdotal) observation from going to college was that a lot more people dropped out or did the victory lap because of a failure to hack it academically than due to an inability to get more money out of Sallie Mae.
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I had a 4.0 in junior college, and a 3.5 gpa at my 4 year school with multiple Dean's list honors, and only two Cs as my lowest grades (Physics II and Heat Transfer).

Another guy I work with had to take some time off to deal with his terminally ill mother. Yet we have people like yourself that would lump us into a slacker group... That's just not right.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Being a CPA is another perfect example. Most states require at least 150 credit hours to qualify to be a CPA, even though you're usually only getting an undergrad degree. Are CPAs not good enough to be Delta pilots?
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Maybe they are looking for guys who have aviation degrees with 4 years of college. I get what your saying.
 
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